Home ac having problems - freon doesn't seem to be circulating

Why don't you just plastic bag it and sell it to your neighbors kids? The world has a scarcity of whoofers. If they whoof it, it won't damage the ozone and everybody wins. Won't have to buy carbon certs for it either.

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Alexander
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OK just so you know, house AC systems have a hermetically sealed refrigerant circuit, that means the entire thing is all metal except for the Fusite where the electrical terminals enter the compressor. As such the system should NEVER require adding refrigerant EVER. If it needs any added then there is a leak somewhere plain and simple. Car systems however can sometimes require topping off every several years due to the refrigerant permeating through the rubber hoses.

And the term is refrigerant not "Freon" or coolant. Freon is DuPont's trade name for CFC and HCFC refrigerants manufactured by them This does include R22. However DuPont's trade name for HFC refrigerants such as R134a is Suva. Hence anyone you may hear referring to the refrigerant in their '94 or newer car as Freon is dead wrong. The same can be said for anyone with a new AC system using R410a

Coolant stays the same phase (solid, liquid, gas) as it carries heat around, refrigerant changes phases.

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Daniel who wants to know

I think they're called "huffers" and most of them get off on "toluene" which is in the paint that they huff. When the refrigerant in a system gets burned, it takes on a horrible searing odor that is what was used during WWI as a chemical weapon, phosgene gas, better known as mustard gas. If you start brazing connections on a refrigeration system that has not had the refrigerant completely removed, you will get a very unpleasant whiff of phosgene gas. Some people get off on huffing Freon but it can be very deadly. The HVAC supply housed have been selling special locking caps for refrigerant service valves that may help stop people from easily getting refrigerant from outdoor equipment.

TDD

Reply to
The Daring Dufas

In the R-12 run up, the price went up for a few years. Eventually, the replacement blends come out on the market. And then the equipment starts to die off. As the equipment dies off, the demand goes down, and that affects the market and pricing. There is still R-12 equipment out there. I know, I service them.

Reply to
Stormin Mormon

asure the amps.

Yes, but extremely small leaks of a few ounces a year can be almost impossible to find and fix. There are a lot of systems with that problem. The only practical solution is to add a little refridgerant every couple years.

Reply to
jamesgangnc

There is no such thing as perfect. All refrigeration systems leak to some extent. When I got my EPA card, the law said we can top off any system with less than 50 pounds of refrigerant.

Reply to
Stormin Mormon

I think that plan will be a good money maker.

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Stormin Mormon

I've had very good luck with a stop leak from the company Cliplight Manufacturing. I use it for systems that have tiny leaks that would require a major disassembly to find. I always pull a deep vacuum on anything that has been rebuilt and use nitrogen to blow through it a few times. When me and my friends install a new system on a job somewhere, the condenser may not be installed until the building or home is ready to be occupied because too many condensing units have been stolen. We will blow the lines and evaporator out with nitrogen, install service valves on the line set, pressurize it with nitrogen and leave it that way until it's time to set the condenser. The good thing about leaving lines and evaporator charged with N2 is that we know if there is a leak or if a carpenter put a nail through a line.

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TDD

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The Daring Dufas

measure the amps.

Yes, that's what many techs do. Shoot a quick squirt in, satisfy the customer, guarantee a return visit next year.

Professionals on the other hand know how to fix the leak, and do the job right.

Reply to
TimR

measure the amps.

I tried that on one system. The compressor was a far bit noisier after adding that sealer. It ran that way for another year or so but it didn't sound good while doing it.

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jamesgangnc

measure the amps.

Day before yesterday I had a noisy compressor in a make line at a pizza place. I injected 3oz of Supco88 into the system and it is a lot quieter now. It will free up just about any sticking valve or bearing.

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TDD

Reply to
The Daring Dufas

Now, that looks totally useful.

Reply to
Stormin Mormon

I have used some window units for 40 years and still work. When I see thin aluminum cores, you go to wonder. The more efficient the more chance of failure. Now my Cavalier was working great up untill last month when all hell broke loose. The garage man says he tops his off a couple times a year. Last year I was trying to top off my 77 280Z with R134, and it worked for a while, longer than the last time I tried,

15 years ago. I gave away my last can when I sold the car. Compressor leaks are common on the vehicles.

My House air sort of seems a little slow, but its only taking 1500 watts and its supposed to be a 2.5 ton.

I had window air units taking 23 amps at 220.

greg

Reply to
GregS

And illegal.

Reply to
The King

Why do you lie?

Reply to
The King

Your customer will balk at the price of Schrader locks. As for the problem of internal contamination in the system from brazing, will that is why the manufacturers and professional practices require nitrogen purging. The oxygen deprivation from inhaling a cloud of cooling gases has long been a problem. But whoofers cherish the synaptic cross firing created by dying oxygen deprived braincells. One of the most dangerous of these gases is R410, as it hangs on the ground and legislation is being enacted to insure all equipment rooms using this gas has an alarm system and automatic venting. As for the huffers... I will leave that to others. I deeply suspect something of that nature is infecting the political atmosphere in Washington DC.

Reply to
Alexander

Perhaps it should be a Union money maker?

Reply to
Don Ocean

Just read the Huffington post and you'll know it's true :-)

Reply to
.p.jm.

Geez! Who can keep up with the sub-nomenclature that describes all the different addictive behaviors of those who are trying new and creative ways to kill themselves. Years ago, I worked with a guy installing the control and power systems for the first indoor cooling tower in this area. We also did the same for the screw compressors and one of the things I installed was a stationary refrigerant leak detection system. I believe R22 was the refrigerant being used. Enough of that stuff can displace the air in a room and send one to HVAC heaven. Where does an AC tech go when he dies if he is an evil man? Hmmmm, I'll have to think about that one.

TDD

Reply to
The Daring Dufas

Bears are mormon too?

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The King

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