Why can't retail businesses just do what they are supposed to do: sell
stuff to people that want to buy stuff. Keep politics out of it. Sell to
anyone whose money is green.
A hardware store in Tennessee first put up a sign telling gays that they
weren't allowed, then took that sign down and put up a weasel-worded
sign telling evangelicals that they weren't welcome.
The first sign was pretty blunt, "No Gays Allowed." Not subtle, but gays
would just find another place to shop. The new sign is: "We reserve the
right to refuse service to anyone who would violate our rights of
freedom of speech and freedom of religion." That sign is intended to
keep radical fundamentalist evangelicals out of his store.
I work in San Francisco. I routinely see evangelicals trying to push
their beliefs and religion onto others. Conversely, there are a lot of
gays in San Francisco but they don't harass people and try to convince
them to become gay.
If the owner doesn't want gays in his store then he should have kept the
original sign. Gays would just go to another store. Now he is offending
evangelicals who pride themselves on violating other people's freedom of
speech and freedom of religion.
On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 11:22:07 AM UTC-4, sms wrote:
I don't see how that could be interpreted as intending to apply
to Christian evangelicals, unless they said something more.
It looks almost certainly targeted at gays following the SC
decision. They just took down the more blatant one and replaced
it with this more subtle one.
More likely the gays would be going to court to force him to
take it down. So it's OK to offend gays, but not OK to offend
evangelicals? Go figure. Inquiring minds want to know how
it affects his business or him personally if either come into
his stores. How would he even know if someone is gay, an evangelical
or anything else?
On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 12:10:05 PM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote:
Here's how I think all this should be handled. If you want
to put those kinds of signs at your business, then I think
it should be your right. It's your business. That includes
putting up a sign that blacks aren't welcome, if you choose.
Let the free market solve it. Any store that puts up such
signs can expect to lose a lot of business. I wouldn't
patronize a business that put up any of those kinds of signs,
nor would the majority of people. The business can also expect
protesters, lots of negative press, disrupting their business.
It's a different situation today than 50 years ago when
you had widespread discrimination against blacks and in
the Jim Crow south you had most places discriminating.
Then I can see a justification for requiring businesses
to serve everyone. Today, the situation has totally
changed. If allowed to discriminate, very few businesses
are going to be dumb enough to do it and those that are
will be ostracized.
Bull Shit! The second sign is intended to keep Democrats out. They are
the ones that constantly want to violate the rights of freedom of
speech and freedom of religion for anyone that disagrees with them.
how is this store owner going to determine who is gay? of course gays
could shop elsewhere, but a better solution is to shop for LOTs of
stuff, bring it to the cashier, let them ring it up and then announce
"what is the gay discount here". smother the shop in business that
generates no income
just wander the store and when Pastor John enters and shops ask him
loudly if his AIDs treatments are working
On 7/4/2015 1:24 PM, taxed and spent wrote:
<snip> > or why not just do as the sign says - allow gays that don't try to ram stuff
Two gays buying a cake, or buying roofing paper, or a hammer, are not
violating anyone's freedom of speech or freedom of religion. But the
store owner is entirely within his rights to not sell to gays since
there is no law in Tennessee that forbids that type of discrimination.
But there _are_ laws preventing discrimination based on religion and his
new sign comes close to this type of discrimination. The new sign is
offensive to those people who routinely annoy others, trying to convert
them to their own belief system, like the owner of the store.
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