Our town has enacted an ordinance where
homes for sale must be "brought up to code".
From talking to others, I get the impression they
can be pretty picky. There seems to be a blurry line
between "safety" and subsidising the local contractors.
Our home is close to a hundred years old.
It's had a hundred years occupancy
without any major safety issues.
I don't see how a handrail on a narrow
attic stairway will actually improve things.
re GFI outlets in the kitchen;
All outlets ?
Those near the sink ?
re electric outlets;
Our bathroom has electric lighting,
but NO electric outlets. ( don't need 'em )
Is there a REAL requirement for ;
"A minimum 2 outlets per room" ??
<< I don't see how a handrail on a narrow attic stairway will actually improve
You will when you are older. Poor eyesight and arthritis are conditions that
benefit from handrails on stairways.
<< GFI outlets in the kitchen >> << Those near the sink ? >>
Just common sense safety item.
<< Our bathroom has electric lighting,but NO electric outlets. >>
So you use your hair dryer in the kitchen (where there are presumeably 20 A
outlets to handle the load)?
<< Is there a REAL requirement for ; "A minimum 2 outlets per room" ?? >>
You have a clock/radio, window fan, and reading lamp all plugged in. Wouldn't
it be nice to have a plug for the vacuum cleaner, too ?
<< Our town has enacted an ordinance where homes for sale must be "brought up
to code". >>
Just do it. You'll wind up with a better price when you sell and life will be
much more pleasant. HTH
Wow! Sounds like a homeseller's nightmare. I suggest contacting the agency
that has jurisdiction on this matter to find out precisely what they
require. Do they just want the electrical brought up to date, or the
plumbing, heating, structural, sound, handicap, and fire codes also?
Perhaps the local building department has authority in this matter. Give
them a call.
If you had to bring an entire house up to current codes, it might be cheaper
to build a new one.
The current National Electrical code requires a separate 20 amp circuit for
bathroom receptacles. All bathroom receptacles can be on the same circuit,
but must be GFI protected. Generally speaking electrical receptacles for
the rest of the house are spaced twelve feet apart as measured along the
wall. Sliding glass doors are considered wall space according to the NEC.
Kitchen countertop receptacles need to be GFI protected, but not a
receptacle behind a refrigerator or oven.
In a 100 year old house, you might not have a spare 20A circuit. He
could *very* easily have a 60A service with 4 edison fuses for lighting
and branch circuits and a pair of cartridge fuses for the range. And
knob and tube wiring.
I'd replace the kitchen sink outlet with a GFCI, put a GFCI in the
laundry room and one in the garage (if the garage has electricity),
install that attic hand rail that doesn't make sense, and try to talk my
way out of doing much else.
You know how hard that would be? (The brought up to code part, that is.)
For instance, in my house, where all the outlets are grounded, I'd have to
go turn them upside down. Then, I'm sure that there aren't enough
electrical outlets, there aren't enough GFCI outlets (which I'll fix), the
list goes on and on.
Some local codes require the ground lug be at the top of the outlet so, in the
rare chance that a plug is not fully inserted into the outlet and that thin
conductive object (that we all have on our walls hovering above the electrical
outlets just waiting for the perfect opportunity to cause trouble) should just
happen to slide down the wall at the exact location of the outlet, and
miraculously fit itself between the wall plate and the plug, it will contact
the ground prong, instead of shorting the hot and neutral prongs.
The reason I asked was beacuse I wasn't sure what was meant by upside
dwn not being abe to see the present position.
As afr as the ground pin being in the up position ,that was the
original intent. It was a throw back to the days when the plates were
metal not plastic.
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Check your local codes, it isn't a NEC issue. Horizontal is very common on
for outdoor outlets with weather covers.
Local example - in a home or office, you can put them any way you want. 37
degree angle is fine is the carpenter framed a bit sloppy ;-)
A different example, in a hospital room, they must be vertical, ground up
and use metal cover plates.
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gerry misspelled in my email address to confuse robots
Are you _really_ sure about that? An ordinary mid-20s house
could easily cost well in excess of $10,000 to be "brought
up to code". Start with full service replacement, replace
all wire, and everything else... You might get to keep some
of the light fixtures if you were very lucky.
Some areas have something much more reasonable: if there
is anything in the house that was done illegally (ie:
without a permit when it should have had one), it has to
be rectified. Ie: permit obtained, and inspected/brought
up to current code as if it was being done now.
Doesn't apply to previous work that was done legally.
If not, this would be just about the only time I've ever
heard of retroactive electrical code compliance requirements.
[aside from smoke alarms]
Chris Lewis, Una confibula non set est
It's not just anyone who gets a Starship Cruiser class named after them.
Silly. This house is a 100 years old, right? Not only did they not
have hairdryers or electric razors but if it's anything like mine each
bedroom has a washing alcove with hot and cold running water and a
sink. Over the years these bedroom washing areas have had things such
as electricity added so that hair drying and razor re-charging isn't
done in the bathroom but in the bedroom. Ergo, no need for electrical
outlets in the bathroom!
This arrangement (the bedroom washing area) is so obviously beneficial
that rather than retro-fit the bathroom with an electrical outlet, all
homes should be obliged to retro-fit their bedrooms. Think about it:
You want to shave but the wife's drying her hair... you want to shave
but there's someone flooding (or has flooded) the bathroom with
steam... your wife wants to put on her makeup (an easy hour's work)
and needs access to water so goodbye bathroom... Bathrooms should be
for bathing which today extends to showering but not all these
ancillary tasks which would be more economically and more comfortably
done in the bedroom.
And I suppose you have to have electricity! Idiots!
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