Not that I am aware of. Of course, practices and coverages may differ
substantially between companies.
There is some degree of latitude given to the individual technician at the
premises. Over the years, I have encountered the occasional "basket case"
house where I have respectfully declined to rewire the ENTIRE place just after
the new owners took possession. Our LineBacker<tm> plan provides two, MINIMUM
coverages: There is NO charge for a technician visit and we will provide
good, working service to ONE jack.
Basically, the affected wiring and outlets must appear to the technician to
have worked RECENTLY. Connecting blocks with NO wire feeding them are not
covered. Wiring done with doorbell wire, thermostat cable, zip cord, bailing
wire and coat hangers is NOT covered. Damage to working wire by hanging
clothes on them across the basement is not covered.
Generally, here, our coverage is quite liberal with the instance of coverage
declination being rare.
As is the case with most extended warranties and similar coverages. We are
the New and Improved Fone Company: We're in business to MAKE money.
Well, as an "insider", I HAVE heard of them - and fixed them.
The owner of a newer, fine, 5-BR, two-story home reported noise on their line.
The trouble showed to the INSIDE of the home. Without the inside coverage,
but without an official NID, I was not allowed to invoke the trouble isolation
charge. (Fine with me, I have to live in this neighborhood.)
I installed, at no charge, a NID (Network Interface Device/demarc). The
customer chose to pay our EXORBITANT hourly rate to have me locate and repair
the trouble. It took HOURS.
The house was wired with sheathed, 24-gauge, 6-pair cable in a loop
configuration (single run of cable looping throughout the large home). I
eventually isolated the trouble to between two bedrooms. They had mice in the
attic that were chewing on the cable. I was able to find/create ONE, good
pair across the fault to restore dialtone to the jacks beyond.
I informed my customer that the fix could last for years or as long as it took
to get out of their driveway. Since the "meter" was at about the $400 point,
the good man opted to call the job completed. I never heard from them again.
This is an excellent example of why some of these fine home BURN: If you
think the mice are chewing ONLY on phone wiring, you are mistaken.
A cut? Sure. A home with TWO lines (and all two-line phones) where the two
lines are CROSSED requires substantially more skill and experience.
Yet Another Horror Story: The first step is to disconnect ALL telephone
equipment. We did that, yet the cross remained.
I then proceeded to get down on my hands and knees with a MiniMag light and
look into EVERY jack. Zippo. They were all clean.
OK, now it's time to take the jacks off the wall.
Prior to each step, I asked the customer if ALL equipment had been removed.
He assured me it had. Prior to the start of removing jacks, I asked him AGAIN
if I had seen ALL the jacks. He assured me that I had.
At about the $350 point, he said, "Oops! I forgot!" There was an unused jack
in the attached garage I had not checked. The cruddy, green corrosion was
actually hanging OUT of the block a bit. I clipped-off the wire, the cross
disappeared and I put his home back together for another $75.
Wires laying on the wet ground under a mobile home; A worker pulls-off the
wire stapled to exterior siding prior to painting and LEAVES it laying on the
ground; cat "sprays" on a jack; toddler jams crayon into a jack; etc., etc.
We all buy car insurance hoping we'll never need it. We buy LIFE insurance
hoping we'll never die. The inside wire maintenance plan is no different.
You're betting you'll need it and the telco is betting you won't. Obviously,
it makes money for the telco or they wouldn't sell the coverage. Heaven knows
I've wasted my money on worse things.
I am skeptical of that statistic. It may have been true only a few years ago
but I heard that AT&T divested itself of most (all?) residential rental
equipment a few years ago. I believe they just "walked away" from it. In any
case, it has been YEARS since I have encountered a customer still renting.
Make that every six months or less. So far, I have purchased FIVE AT&T
Trimline<tm> 210 phones from Best Buy for ~$12.50 each. Of course, they are
made by "slaves" in China, but what isn't today? As "corded" phones, they are
How about two-line phones.
The only ones I've seen are insanely expensive, eg $80 and more.
I googled, got reviews, everyone said the only ones that
worked were $80 amd up. Anything cheaper was total crap,
they *all* said...
Other opinion? Hidden deal somewhere?
Am I missing posts, or how come some threads start in the middle, with
one person answering another, when I never saw the first post.
This one has only one newsgroup in the distribution list.
On Sat, 8 Apr 2006 21:35:59 +0000 (UTC), firstname.lastname@example.org (David
I'm not happy to defend China, but I thought only *some* things made
in China were made by prisoners and political prisoners, in what are
probably terrible jails. But some other people are doing well. The
news showed streets that a few years ago were full of bicycles, now
full of cars. This is sad from the world's pov, but the Chinese who
own those cars probably like it.
How much the peoplle not in jail who make phones and such get paid, I
have no idea. They might still be in poverty, and one might call that
slavery too, but I think it would be metaphorical.
The situation in China is better than under Mao, but it's still a zoo
by western standards. The wealthy, who are the Party members, are
getting stinking rich, there is a growing middle class and the
pissantry is still the pissantry.
The socially and ecologically responsible thing to do is get an old WE
or Automatic Electric phone with a coil hybrid and one semiconductor in
the touch tone pad (i.e. a 1200 set). They wil last for a century under
moderately careful use.
Most of my Western Electric phones have "gone away" (given away, keypad died,
etc). I do, however, enjoy a working antique on our kitchen wall:
1935 Automatic Electric model 465
My wife answers calls on it to this day when, a mere 18-inches away, is the
Home Receptionist with cool call data display (Caller ID). Unless we get a
DIRECT lightning strike, the antique phone may outlive me.
Absolutely metaphorically. Like you, I have no more idea of Chinese working
conditions and compensation than the man in the moon. I'm sure I could find
The USA and the rest of the consuming "first" world (and you know who you are)
are consuming China into the 21st century. This is NOT a bad thing. Odds are
pretty good that it will be a GOOD thing. I hope so. Our hope is to make 'em
so rich, fat and lazy (ya know, like us) that they don't want to hassle with
My biggest lament of this situation is those time that I wish to buy a truly
GOOD, name-brand tool - and I can't find one! It's all [Save BIG money] big
box, Home Menards Lowes Depot junk.
To those that would see us back in the "good, old days", I urge them to think
again. Before electricity and petroleum oil there was WHALE OIL light when
the sun went down. The whales, to this day, in their daily prayers, thank GOD
that we discovered petroleum oil.
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