Funny thing on Japan construction. Most rooms also had an outlet in the
ceiling, usually by the walls. Also the ceiling lights were a funny looking
'plug and twist' sort that were provided by the tenant so no lights anyplace
til you got your own.
Ah, I see. I was a little confused too. Layman's terms is this is where
you get the one outlet per wall idea (obviously in a larger room, you end up
I know what I'd 'want' in a garage conversion, is an outlet every 3-4 feet
or so so I could have lots of options in decorating without ever having to
mess with extension cords.
True, but we now have more 'stuff' to plug in. Say he wants the
entertainment room we have with PS2, TV, Gamecube, and a spare plug for
charging the DS2 kids thingie. You need all pretty close to the same spot.
He (or any of us) could pick a spot and put the extra outlet there, but in
time it may change on where he wants it as SWMBO decides to move furniture!
So, I'd 'dream' of lots of outlets. Required? no. Easy to do now? yes.
Oh and if he doesnt have a good one for Xmas lights outside at the front of
the house, this is the time to add it as he pulls off the garage door and
makes a wall there.
Back to the original question of 1/3 or 2x3 - At 11ft height, either
of them would result in a 'bouncy' wall. Needs at least a 2x4 for a 1
plane wall. If 2x3 a block between it and the existing framing at
abpit 1/2 span would be needed for a firm feel.
I aslo vote fore the 'shelf' approach.
Your choice. As noted before, though, you're going to want to have
insulation over that block wall section, too, or it's going to be a real
sink in the winter. You can save some thickness there w/ the foam over
fiberglass, of course, but there's still going to be room for an outlet
box. The other way is, of course, to place them in the block if the
wall isn't fill-poured.
It'll require fire egress and probably two exits -- one to the house
_may_ count, but as somebody else noted, the correct way to find out is
to ask local building code folks.
His climate is like mine, just a little colder. If the blocks are thick
ones, they are self insulating to a degree. Something over them to make
them look nicer would be good though. Painted cinderblock is never that
True, but he's apt to find that like here, an attached garage had the same
egress rules as any other room. 2 exits. The difference is the garage door
constituted the other one.
If you'd like a nice laugh, my house is a case in point for this. Bathrooms
as normal have a write off for a smaller window you couldnt egress from.
Everything else, including my laundry room has 2. In bedrooms, the second
is the window except the smaller 3rd bedroom. No window but before a porch
addition, exterior door to back yard was there.
Sometime around 20 years ago, the back of the house was extended with a huge
'all the way across the back except the garage' screened porch. Roof
extended at a milder slope. At this point, egress was one patio door from
kitchen (which also has door to garage and is mostly open to the
livingroom), window at 2nd bedroom to porch, and exterior 3rd beroom door to
porch. About 15 years ago, a portion of that porch was closed off to make a
'sunroom' but with plexiglass windows that couldnt open. It was single
egress and the local rules made them cut another doorway (silly guy used an
interior door) to the remaining screened porch. This made it legal but just
barely as the room was classed as 'enclosed porch' so door requirements are
not very tight (he could have put up a screen door and been legal as long as
the existing 'outside door' remained on the 3rd bedroom.
I've since put a proper door on the sunroom to the porch and redone the
sunroom completely with a patio door and window walls to the floor all
around the exterior 2 walls.
He also when adding the laundry room extension from the garage to the porch,
added no door at the garage side and an interior door at the screened porch
side (opposite the sunroom). The kitchen has an exterior door to the garage
as it used to be a carport (closed up properly appx 25-30 years ago).
Havent bothered to replace that 'hollow core interior one' off the laundry
room to the screened porch or put one in on the garage side.
You can tell the garage was a patio, by the high in the wall 'whole house'
wall AC unit 220 plug up in the ceiling of the livingroom over the bar, and
the square plastered hole in the wooded walls (which we painted dark brown
and centered a large picture in so it looks like it was meant to be a
display case). It would have dripped to the carport floor.
The operative words here are "to a degree". In a period of ever-rising
fuel prices when doing new work that is directly open, there's
absolutely no reason to scrimp on insulation for the pittance of effort
or $$ to be saved on initial cost compared to the longterm fuel savings
and added comfort. That uninsulated block wall will be a sore point
forever if let go...that it's yet colder than yours only amplifies the
Extra insulation in the drywall part will pay for itself. The block
portion, I think wont be very notable in your winters (not far from mine).
I'd put them just above the ledge or even flush in the ledge if no liquid
can get spilled in them. IE: Tell the kids not to sit sodas on the ledge
No, 2 egresses are sufficient for any codes I have seen. In fact, a large
window can count for egress if openable.
You are north enough you need to get good insulating double paned windows
and an insulating sort of patio door. If you also add 1 window (need not be
huge) on the outer wall, it will provide a fine 'draft' for cooling when
the weather is clement.
Like my climate, you can use just fans a good part of spring and summer if
you have the right airflow and ceiling fans (you'd want 2 in a room that
Coastal Maryland, sounded like nearish Baltimore or possibly more inland
towards Wilmington. Very close to my Norfolk area climate.
He'd do better with more insulation, but he's not the real cold areas. More
like heat in summer would be his issue I suspect. Same fix though. I'm
just a little warmer here by usually some 5 degrees? About 200 miles south
of him it sounded like.
Example of our weather here in Norfolk: We got snow flurries that didnt
stick, 3 times last winter. I've been away for a few years but before in
the 6 years here, we had sticking snow every other year and only one
snowstorm of real note (about 10 inches stuck). He gets sticking snow most
years as that nominal 5 degrees colder is just where it hits.
Thats why I'm sure his cinderblock portion can just be covered with
something pretty if he wants. It obviously wont 'hurt' to insulate it, but
not as needed as those in colder climates are thinking. Some of that foam
board then cover it with something pretty would do nicely for his needs.
Now if he were in Vermont or Chiago or something, it would be a whole nuther
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