Builder's standard tank and bowl toilet on second floor of condo. Drain
runs from toilet down a vertical line between uninsulated walls in lower
condo unit. When flushed it sound in the lower unit is quite loud like
Short of wholesale changes in rerouting drain any suggestions to cut
down on noise?
Seems to me:
- a lower flow toilet might help
- blowing in insulation between the two bys might help
Any other logical and useful ideas?
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Noise is nothing more than pressure waves in the air caused by something
moving. The further and more rapidly something moves, the louder the
noise it creates because the stronger the air pressure wave it creates
with each movement. You can prove this to yourself by setting off your
smoke alarm intentionally, and finding containers to keep it in to
reduce the noise. You will find that a pyrex casserole pot works really
well because pyrex is a dense heavy glass that is very strong and stiff.
It moves very little in response to the sound waves from the smoke
detector hitting it, and so the only noise you hear is the result of the
pyrex moving, and that's very little. The result is that you hear very
little noise with the smoke detector in the pyrex casserole dish because
the walls and top of the pyrex casserole dish are hardly moving at all.
That is, you can have a tempest in a tea pot, but if the walls of the
tea pot don't move, then no one can hear the tempest inside.
Cast iron vent stacks were the standard for decades. Cast iron is much
heavier than ABS or PVC, and so cast iron moves LESS when it vibrates as
a result of water plunging through it, and the smaller movement means a
quieter flush heard downstairs.
You can eliminate the noise if you can eliminate the movement of the
plastic Vent stack in your wall.
I would use something inexpensive like wall paper or masking tape to
cover the stud cavity where the vent stack is, and then fill that stud
cavity with expanding foam. That way, you can eliminate it completely
should you ever want to by simply removing most of it with a knife, and
then peeling the wallpaper or masking tape off.
On Sunday, February 16, 2014 11:36:19 PM UTC-5, nestork wrote:
From the description, it's the unit *below* that's getting the
noise. Plus, I've never heard a noisy vent. Plenty of noise
from a plastic toilet drain line though.
OMG? Remove drywall in a condo, replace it with wallpaper?
Have you been drinking?
About the only part you have here right is that cast iron pipe
makes a lot noise than PVC, ABS. He could try insulation. Not
sure blowing in is going to work. Who knows how that pipe is
routed and where the blown-in can or can't get to. If he wants
to try that approach, I'd rip out the drywall, fully expose
the problem and then figure out how to get it covered with
insulation, expanding foam perhaps.
the noise is te water falling down the sewer line, extremely common with PVC pipe.
Cast iron didnt conduct sound well.PVC is a excellent sound conductor:(
the best most effective fix iis replacing the offending section of line with hubless cast iron line.
No doubt every unit in your condo has the same issue:(
If yyour home is new go after the builder while its under warranty.
Some people are very sensitive to noise that others will likely ignore
On Monday, February 17, 2014 9:46:26 AM UTC-5, bob haller wrote:
+1, but not easy or cheap.
Good luck with that. People typically can't get the warranty to
honor foundations that are falling down. I would bet it's virtually
impossible to get a warranty claim on noise from a toilet flushing
If you want a 100% fix replace the PVCwith hubless cast iron, in the offending area.
Hubless cast iron is easy to work with, it uses ferncos to connect. no oakum, no molten lead. etc etc.
if your ging to be removing sections of drywall you might as well do it right, do it once then forget about it.
maybe 20 years ago my GF at the time wanted to stay on site at disney world..
We stayed at port orleans it was a brand new on site hotel complex...nice BUT.
any time anyone flushed a toilet every other nearby room knew what was going on, the flushing sounds went on all nite.. we did not sleep well.
when we got back I wrote a nice letter of complaint, and disney responded with a discount on a future stay, and said the noise issue was being corrected by replacing much of the plumbing in what was a brand new resort.
not long after that they appeared to have re named the resort, it had issues....
On Sunday, February 16, 2014 6:12:25 PM UTC-5, Pointer wrote:
ection is active.
If you can minimize the points where the pvc pipe contacts the wall framing
the noise will be reduced. Depending on your situation that may require r
emoving wall board. Use plastic straps to hold the pipe in place without p
ulling it against the wood frame lumber.
On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 8:47:04 AM UTC-5, bob haller wrote:
I think you have a valid point. Once you have to open the wall,
might as well go for what is known to reduce noise a lot. The only
issue would be how accessible the pipe is so you can replace it.
I'm not real keen on using Ferncos in inaccessible places, where you
can't see them, etc, but for this, given the choices, I'd use them.
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