I find this hard to believe. This house was in foreclosure, the heat
was turned off, and a pipe broke filling the house with an estimated
100,000 gallons of water. The outdoor temperature was MINUS 40 deg. F
The entire first floor (if not more) of the house filled with ice,
which was coming out of windows, light fixtures, and through the
siding. Here are the links to the photos from the tv news channel.
On Jan 18, 7:46 am, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
re "Someone broke in and stole the plumbing to sell as scrap."
Huh? While the water was on? Or did someone steal the plumbing and
then turn the water back on?
Please explain how this "someone stole the plumbing and the house
filled with water" thing would work.
The home we live in had been a rental years ago.
a tenant fail;ed to pay rent for months, so landlord evicted him.
tenant left in middle of nite turned bath watyer on, closed tub drain:
Brought down nearly all cielings, warped hardwood floors. neighbor
noticed water coming out of garage running down street.
such things do happen. although this occured here in the 60s and was
largely fixed traces still exist today:(
Primarily in minor marks where cielings were patched. water ruined
I knew the landlord, who died years ago
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 09:31:41 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
What I posted is all of the pics of it that are on their website.
I dont know how they would get pics inside except maybe the second
floor. It looks like it filled the first floor to the ceiling or darn
close, with all the ice coming out by the outdoor lights and tops of
windows. What gets me, is why the basement floor drain didnt work, or
even the water going down the toilet and other drains, but maybe that
stuff iced over first. It had to be a good sized leak. I'd guess
that beyond the walls, the water is still liquid in the middle of the
house. I think they need a very long drill bit like for ice
If they leave it freeze solid, the walls will come outward off the
foundation, which could damage other houses nearby. I dont think they
could even demolish it right now. The rush of water coming out could
do severe damage to houses next door. I'd like to find out what comes
of it, but these news stations dont always followup on things like
That was my first thought as well- 'I'd pay a dollar to see the inside'.
Like the other guy said, I highly doubt the place is a solid block.
Unless it was a real slow leak, freezing in layers, the water pressure
would blow out the windows. My SWAG is that an upstairs bathroom let go,
and flooded out to the walls, and ran down the stud bays. If there was a
really well done ceiling on first floor, the joist cavities could act
like water channels.
And I'd still pay a dollar to see inside.
Several years ago, there was a Siberian blast cold wave in Las Vegas. Not
known for its cold winters. There were hundreds of buildings that looked
like this and worse. Buildings and houses that had second floor patios had
icicles that stretched from second floor to ground, and were 12 to 18" in
diameter at the top. Water "appearing" to be flowing out of windows, but in
reality, following the trails from the second floor down, and exiting at the
windows. You'll notice in these pictures, one corner where there is an ice
block, probably at a seam that didn't get sealed. I really doubt that this
was one solid block, but that it was a hell of a mess, and a really cold
day/night. I do not think that any house is well enough built to hold water
to that degree, and as we all know, water expands as it freezes, and I
didn't observe any real buckling outward.
Some scenario such as that is almost certainly the case "the other
Yeah, I'd chip in at least a quarter, too...
And, do you suppose the mortgage holding company just _might_ be
considering checking whether any of their other foreclosured
propertiess are also vacant and unheated w/o the water having been
turned off? :)
That would make a great window ad.
I was thinking the same thing! If water can leak OUT cold air can leak IN.
Interesting that it leaked more around the porch light than around the
electric outlet lower on the wall.
I don't believe the house is full at all -- the windows pictures don't
look like a solid block of ice inside to me. See upthread posting but
I think it simply broke an exterior line and ran down the wall
cavities for the most part.
That there's more coming out the porch light mounting opening than the
other electric outlet simply means there's a larger hole around the
one than the other or other obstruction(s) damming the outlet more
than the light.
_IF_ it were indeed full, not only would windows have broken, it's
highly unlikely imo there wouldn't have been a full wall blowout
Let's see---if it were a 1600 sq-ft area, the volume at 8-ft ceiling
height would be 12,800 cu-ft --> ~96,000 gal (ok, that's pretty near
the 100k earlier guess) ==> ~~6,640,000 lb-wt
That would translate to a distributed lateral load of ~5200 lb-f/sq-ft
or 36 psi. That's expecting the house to hold the equivalent of 2-1/2
atmospheres w/ no apparent failures (even bowing walls aren't visible
in the pictures to any extent)--ain't agonna' happen.
And, of course, the floor loading would be 500 lb/sq-ft so it would
that w/ a 40 psf design load and 2X SF still would be about 1.5X that
so at least marginally likely wouldn't hold it.
As noted earlier, there's bound to be a bunch of water in the house,
basement, etc., but I think most of the ice visible from the outside
came through the walls first, not from filling the house like a tank.
I've been thinking about this too, and doing some weight calculations.
Even if the walls did not bow or collapse, the windows would have
blown out. This makes me think that the pipe break was actually on
the second floor. The water ran across the floor to the walls and
down into the walls. That's about the only thing that makes sense.
That might be why there is more water by the light fixtures than the
outlet, it came out higher first. Of course like you said, the size
of the cutout would matter too.
It's hard to see what is inside the windows from the pics, but I'd
have to agree with you. The first thing I thought when I saw this,
was how could the glass hold the pressure. That was before doing soem
weight calculations. The leak had to be upstairs. Now why it didn't
go down the stairs? All I can imagine the house is not exactly level
and water ran toward the walls, plus if the leak was big enough (which
it must be for 100K gallons), then it was rushing down the stairs AND
down the walls. Then too, closed interior doors could have an effect
All because some idiot didn't shut off the water main valve !!!!
Lets see, if it's foreclosed, then the bank owns it. I guess bankers
dont know about valves, providing heat in cold weather, and things
I had already posted the computations based on 96,000 gal which is
close enough to 100k for these purposes... :)
Some probably did run out during the early stages, but I'd suspect
that most of that came out after the wall cavity between those two
particular studs filled to that level -- again, see upthread posting
but w/ a sizable break, water is filling up the walls from openings
such as aem points out of running along the ceiling and pouring in far
faster than there are openings for it to leak out.
If you ever have an upstairs plumbing leak or a upper story A/C
condenser line plug or similar, you will soon experience how water
will very soon start coming from light fixtures in the ceiling in
rooms quite distant from the actual leak source.
OBTW, one more calculation -- 100,000 gal/10 gpm/60 min/hr/24 hr/day --
Banks have so many foreclosures these days and the mortgage holder is
probably somewhere very far removed from the location of the house
since the mortgage undoubtedly was sold within weeks or months of
origination (or it may be in one of those "toxic asset" pools and
nobody even knows who actually is the holder any longer. One would
have hoped their properties overseer would have been more diligent,
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