You'll have better luck talking to a brick wall. firstname.lastname@example.org is the
kind of guy who doesn't believe anything exists outside of his personal
There's a word for guys like that, and a reason they are best left to their
I don't generally read way off topic threads so I don't know what g has
For the mainline threads I find g's posts are far more useful than
yours. For example he doesn't use irrelevant scam HP ratings to try to
make a point. He has broad experience and writes interesting posts.
Yes, he is knowlegeable and often contributes useful and relevant
information. More importantly, he doesn't treat the group like a chatroom
or a political soapbox, which is why he isn't in the bozo bin with most of
the rest of the "top 25" posters.
That doesn't mean he is not thick as a brick, though.
My stepdad built stairs (5 steps) to a porch door, but with no outside
landing. The door swings out. When I told him he'd have to back down a few
steps to open the door, his correction was to tie a rope to the door handle
to make it easier to get in. He has to stand next to the stairs to grab the
rope and walk around the railing, pulling the rope.
Off the top of my head, all exterior doors in both my house and my
parents' house (both in South Florida) open out. Both houses built in
the early '70s I think. It's pretty common here. I assume to withstand
hurricane winds, but it also makes it harder for an intruder to kick
in a door.
You certainly wouldn't want that in snow country, or you could end up
trapped (or at least very annoyed).
On the other hand, I'm sure more than one person here has found their
door blocked closed by debris after a hurricane. With the new required
window shutters that have to be unscrewed from outside, that could be
a problem, so they may be moving towards inwardly opening doors...
On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 00:46:09 -0800 (PST), Larry Fishel
The difference in the resistance to wind pressure is almost the same
in both directions (+55/-50 PSF for the 130 zone) so the difference
the swing gets you is not significant. You are still talking about
1100 pounds minimum on the inward force on a 3068 so these doors are
not going be very easy to kick in.
All the houses I've lived in in NY have had storm doors that swing out
and entrance doors that swing in.
My current house has an insulated exterior door at the top of the
cellar stairs that swings out. I built it that way & I'm glad I
did. The landing to the stairs is just 40". The outside is covered
so snow is not an issue. Since it is a utility door I don't want to
mess with a stormdoor when I've got a hand full of tools, hoses, or
whatever crap I might be bringing into or out of the basement.
I've lived in a house in both NY & VA that had a storm/screen door
that swung out-- and an entrance door that swung out behind it. Try
those suckers with an armload of groceries.
I'm having trouble picturing that. Unless there was 3 feet between them,
wouldn't the storm door finished opening have to be rather oversized to
allow the real door to even open?
When I hit the lotto and build my dream house, exterior doors will all
be on deep covered porches. Hate my current front door- no overhang,
and no practical way to add one. Small stoop, and a big step up to
threshold level. On Halloween, I have to sit outside, lest I sweep the
kids off the porch with the storm door. I also can't bend over that far
100+ times in a 3 hour period any more. A lot of the other cookie
cutters in the neighborhood have actually had wooden 6x6 front decks
added over the concrete stoops to make the entrances more friendly, but
they look funny with the style of the houses, and it would never pay me
back on resale. Other than Halloween, I may get 6 people a year using
front door, so I'll let the next owner deal with it.
yep-- Royal PITA. Storm doors in both places were 36" - the
entrance doors were 32. The one in VA was actually a door we used
fairly often. I can remember many times that you'd open the storm--
hold it with your butt, reach for the inside door- then you needed to
let go of the knob on the inside door before the storm smashed your
Probably first remembering how those doors were *really* hung.<g>
I'm drawing a blank--- but obviously, as you point out. . . I'm
mis-remembering something again. They were both houses I lived in
in the early 70s.
Hate to tell you, but I got the winning numbers, they just haven't drawn
them yet. I fantasize about having foyers, or what people commonly call
"mud rooms", which would be mandatory if I ever build another house. Keep
the dog from running out. Help contain HVAC. Place for muddy boots, etc.
Keep the weather off the front door. A place for incoming and outgoing
guests to pause without having the wind, snow or rain encroaching.
Heart surgery pending?
Read up and prepare.
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