Let me get this straight, you would argue over a minor fee for a
permit? The permit lets you receive a 2nd opinion on the work you have
done. Seeing how it's so inexpensive why not just do it.
In Toronto Canada a fire alarm company was fined for removing a smoke
detector head (equivalent of taking down a light socket) and replaced
with same type. The electrical authority fined them for not having a
This has since been modified to allow this work without having to get a
permit. But imagine not being able to replace a light socket without a
As another poster mentioned, would this be strictly monitored.
Probably not until you burned your home down by doing something silly.
A couple of reasons. If the job is minor and the person, even the
homeowner, is reasonably competent, there is no need for an inspection and
the associated fee for adding a receptacle, changing a fixture, etc.
Watch how much electrical and plumbing supplies are sold on a given day at
any Home Dept, Crappy Tire etc. Imagine the amount of paperwork required
and the cost of issuing all those permits and making all those inspections.
Town hall would be mobbed.
There are times, though, when a person must be saved from themselves. Years
ago I was working at a fairly new house. I was doing a door installation
but the homeowner was starting to finish the basement. He wired four
receptacles using lamp cord! I pointed them out to his wife and I'm hoping
it was changed. Yes, there are truly stupid people out there.
THE FOOLS JUST KEEP ON A COMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU'RE KILLING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AND I THOUGHT YOU CANADIAN WANKERS DIDN'T HAVE A SENSE OF HUMOR!!!
That's OK, I failed out of rocket science my freshman year of college.
Of course, the University of Delaware called it "Honors Aerospace
You need to be more specific in your response, instead of vague and
Point is, even a licensed electrician can get things wrong. The
licensed electrician who had done work on the house we bought (before
the previous owner's estate sold it) had reversed polarity in nearly
every room in the house. The electrician we had out to fix it created
another problem the inspectors caught.
So if you're replacing a light switch or outlet, be DAMNED sure you
know what you're doing, or call a licensed electrician. If you're doing
anything more complicated than that, call an electrician.
And if you're unsure, yeah, call your local municipality's code
enforcement office - simply Google the name of your municipality
(county, city, township, whatever) and "inspection" or "inspectors" and
you can find who to contact.
Just because you don't know how to do more than replace a light switch
or outlet, doesn't mean that no one else does. And apparently from
your own statements above, licensed electricians are capable of doing
work wrong too. I sure as hell wouldn't have reversed hots and
neutrals all over the place.
Fascinating. Just fascinating. I have this image in my mind of a pasty,
pimply-faced sunken chested scrawny 16 year old white kid who can't
frighten a housefly who in his fantasy of fantasies wants to be a big
robust black guy with a mohawk, feather earrings, lots of bling, and a
propensity to scare the crap out of pasty, pimply-faced sunken-chested
scrawny 16 year old white kids.
Wow! Did you just make that up?
Your creativity is just flowing!
BTW, have you ever had an original thought in your whole pathetic life?
Don't worry, though.
Nobody expects much from people like you.
[Sigh] Yeah. The Intarwebs are filled with NIGHTCRAWLER's type of
arrogant, un-informed hostility. My guess is either like yours, or he's
a 36 year old vo-tech who thinks he knows everything about home repair
and construction...and has lots of white-man hostility about the
liberals, the terrrrists and illegal immigrants, thinks Rush Limbaugh
is always right, and is probably deeply confused by the fact there's
more than one street named Peachtree in his city.
I have an image in my mind of him standing at a protest dressed in
dirty shorts and a ratty t-shirt, holding a sign that says "Get a
brain, morans [sic]!"
Usually I attempt to rise above such provocations, but I'm Irish and
have had a bad couple months fighting a losing battle against the
Maryland MTA (one of their buses crushed my car when it was parked in
front of my house and they refuse to reimburse me for the normal costs
of replacing the car), and since it came as a part of someone else's
post let me take some time to demonstrate to NIGHTCRAWLER that I am
obviously a drooling imbecile incapable of tying my own shoes while he
should be elevated to godhood and we should all bow to his obviously
When I wrote:
139. Master's degree, Princeton. Have had successful careers in retail
management, radio and television and now an ordained pastor and Finance
Analyst at Johns Hopkins University.
While that doesn't qualify me to speak with authority on home repairs,
perhaps having worked for a commercial construction company and having
years of personal experience with carpentry, concrete work, roofing and
general home remodeling (working for my father's remodeling company
part time while at seminary) gives my statement some credence.
When I opined:
TheNIGHTCRAWLER tried with:
Please explain how what I said doesn't follow from the discussion. Or
could it be that you, in your great wisdom and brilliance, do not know
the meaning of the Latin "non sequitur"?
When I related:
Re-read what I said. "the previous owner's estate sold it". The owner
had died and his legal estate was selling the home.
If you knew what you pretend to about real estate law, in many states
an estate sale means that any home inspection is done for information
purposes only, and the estate cannot be held liable to effect repairs
of a non-structure-threatening nature. Of course, the buyer always has
the option to withdraw the bid contingent upon the results of the
inspection, but my wife and I didn't think reversed polarity was a
serious enough defect in the house to warrant that.
TheNIGHTCRAWLER has asked:
And you, sir, have just proven yourself the idiot you accuse others of
being. Anyone with a basic knowledge of home electrical wiring knows
that while reversed polarity does not present a danger to most
appliances, light fixtures, etc., some delicate electronics can sustain
damage from reversed polarity, some surge suppressors may not protect
equipment against power spikes, and some equipment may not stop when
shut off or start as soon as plugged in. I don't know about you, but I
kinda like the idea of not burning out the nice new computer I just
built, or the TV, the DVD player, my PocketPC when it's recharging the
battery, etc. Nor do I want appliances or tools not shutting off when I
need them to. I want my electric done properly.
See OSHA's discussion of it here:
Since you've shown you have little understanding of basic electrical
wiring, I'm gonna take a wild guess you failed out of that vo-tech
school, yes? Is that why you're so angry and feel the need to insult
Not getting a permit will NOT void your house insurance. If you screw
something up, it is an accident just like falling asleep in bed with a
cigarette etc. so your insurance will still cover your house.
So they cover suicide now? I wonder if the NY explosion the other
day is covered....they say the doctor was trying suicide to keep his
wife from getting a 9 million dollar home. Think they will pay?
Smoking in bed to me is a form of suicide..... I get it.. we won't pay
life insurance, but we cover the house.
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