A while back I posted my problem with the dishwasher and received many
good tips. Thank you all. My wife especially wanted me to thank those
who suggested adding TSP to the new "imprived" dishwashing detergent.
Half a tablespoon works wonders.
By strange coincidence, the cover story of the January 31 issue of the
"Weekly Standard" was "Why Your Dishwasher Doesn't Work Anymore."
well this explains why my dishwasher hasnt been working well for a
long time. i am using 3 times the detergent, upped the water heaters
temperature, and will be buying some TSP from the hardware store
thanks for the heads up.
i will run a couple empty loads rich in tsp since i noticed the inside
of the machine is dirty gritty.....
Phosphates were removed from detergents years ago when they were linked
to algae bloom issues on rivers in the vicinity of sewage treatment
outlets. A load or two in a single dishwasher won't hurt anything.
hehe. Guy at work got me involved in Amway in the early '70's
Didn't last long.
Anyway, they had just banned phosphates in laundry detergent then, but
Amway still had one with phosphates.
Can't remember the details, but this guy thought Amway was real slick
in how they got around it.
Seems the soap companies found a substitute to get clothes clean.
They'll probably find one for dishwasher soap too.
If you want to clean the machine, just pour in a bottle of vinegar and
run an empty cycle, another tip in response to my earlier poblem. My
wife did that and it worked great. You can also find stuff at the
store to clean it out.
Consumer Reports (Sept 2010) ran a comparison of the new dishwasher
detergents. The Weekly Standard article quotes Consumer Reports that
none were as good as one previous detergent, but neglects to mention
that 7 were rated "very good". You might want to look at the review.
There are still products out there that work.
As the article said, phosphates were limited in laundry detergents over
15 years ago.
The Weekly standard article also says the government will "outlaw
incandescent bulbs in a few years", which has often been debunked by Don
Klipstein in this newsgroup. A few very common wattages are banned, but
even for those there are holes.
I got a box at our local, old-fashioned hardware store. Pure tri-
sodium phosphate. I googled "phosphate free TSP" and learned the
"The phosphate-free formulation contains sodium metasilicates."
It goes on to describe how toxic and dangerous this replacement
On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 09:11:13 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
Only water I ever bought in my life was in Gila Bend Arizona.
Took my wife and kids on a big driving trip in the van and
we spent a night there in a motel cooled by swamp coolers.
First I ever saw.
I was checking out the swamp coolers when my wife started
yelling from the shower.
"They got the valves on backward!"
I went to check that out.
"The cold water is hot!"
But the valves were ok.
The cold water was hot. Just how it is there.
Real nasty water it was too, full of, I don't know, sulphur?
Seeing I'd blown a little water out the radiator in the desert the day
before, I wanted to top up the overflow tank, but I didn't like the
looks of the free water there.
Bought a gallon of bottled water in a grocery store.
When I was paying the cashier, I said to her,
"You got some scary water here. Never bought water before."
She said, "I been drinking it 40 years and I feel just fine."
I said, "But I'm worried about my van radiator."
She wasn't amused.
YES, not only were the dishes clean but so was the interior of the
I justt got home and will recommend this to everyone.
its amazing nearly all the grit is gone.
I am running a second load of dishes & TSP as I type.
many of the dishes from the last load had been run before and were
thus the additional load.......
I am running a experiment as I type:) For seemingly forever my clothes
appear to get stiff or hard:( Noticed it big time yesterday when I
gave my dogs a bath the towels were rock hard. My polo shirts get
inflexible and uncomfy. I have replaced them for that reason. Fabric
softener doesnt make a difference.
This got me wondering iif the same hard deposits I see in the
dishwasher are happening in my clothes washer too?
will post the results:) I tried a load with 3/4 regular dish
detergent 1/4 TSP. its running right now.
yep laundry detergent plus TSP.
My dad has a softener, I never like showeing there because I feel
slimey, and feel like I never got the soap off........
Does that feeling go away after awhile?
yeh pittsburgh water is hard.
On 2/12/2011 3:48 PM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
I'd try washing the 'stiff' clothes without any soap, a couple of times.
Mebbe do it at a laundromat. I've found that even without softened
water, the amount of soap they say to use on the jug or box is WAY too
high, and it builds up in the clothes and towels and such. A quick check
would be to lay a stiff shirt or towel in the bathtub, and point the
shower at it, and see if suds develop. When I moved into a place that
did have a water softener (apartment), I actually made the manager swap
out the washer, because I thought it wasn't draining right, because
there was still soapy water in the second rinse. Washed everything
twice, the second time without soap, for a month or two, before the
penny dropped, and it occurred to me to use less soap to start with. I
replaced the softener when I moved into this house 5 years ago, and keep
it set as low (non-soft)as it will go, and I get good results only using
about 1/4 of the amount of soap the line on the cap says to use.
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