Dishwasher - don't rinse first?

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How can a walk-in pantry that doubles as a laundry room have no foot traffic?

Nope. They got tossed out of the running because of the screen rather than having a grinder. Bad idea. We bought a kitchen full of Electrolux, instead. Much better all around. We were quite happy with them so will do it again - no changes.

That's not the issue. The problem is having to clean the screen. Food

Not buying it but then your statement is irrelevant WRT HE clothes washers requiring cleaning.

I'm glad I don't need one. We had one in our first house and it was nothing but a PITA.

Precisely the point. If the door has to be left open, it's a NO SALE. BTW, you're not correct WRT (HE, anyway) top-loaders. They also now have an issue with smell, for the same reasons. The recommendation is to leave them open, also. No real problem because they don't take any more floor space when open, aren't a tripping hazard, and aren't susceptible to damage.

It's wasted space in any floorplan. *BAD* idea. We'll be staying with top-loaders.

Any floor plan? While technically true, if the space is never used for anything else, there's no impact.

One example:

Another: In my laundry room, we have 3 coolers stacked in the space between the washer and the sink. Leaving the door open in front of the coolers has no impact on the usable floor space of my laundry area. Does the plexiglas on the inside of the door protrude 5.5" into the room when fully open? Yes. Do I ever walk in the 5.5" area across the face of my washer and dryer? No.

What you emphatically call a bad idea is a non-issue in certain circumstances.

On Sat 07 Dec 2013 07:30:47a, DerbyDad03 told us...

I should have said there is no "pass through" foot traffic. You walk in, you walk out. The location of the laundry equipment is completely out of the way of access to anything else in the pantry.

On Sat 07 Dec 2013 07:57:43a, told us...

Obviously, there is no possibility of actually discussing or explaining anything to you, since you apparently _always_ have to be right and haved the last word.

Bye!

Wait for it...I sense the word "idiot" being pounded into krw's keyboard right now. ;-)

Then it's a lousy floor plan. Laundry space should be minimized so other space can be maximized.

At a couple of hundred bucks a square foot, yes, wasted space *is* a bad idea.

You can go away at any time. You won't hurt my feelings.

Good riddance.

Ok, this is the point where i waste typing time as I try to reason with you and point out a few facts. Before you reply with your typically "Idiot", take a second a think about what I am I about to write.

Look at the laundry room pictured in the link. Also, imagine my laundry room where the washer door opens across a stack of coolers. In both cases, the space is not used nor will ever be used for anything, therefore there is no impact from the open washer door.

In concept you are right, in reality, not always.

OK, so you already know you're an idiot. Next...

It's still wasted space. Stack of coolers? You'll have to show a picture.

You still haven't addressed the issue of the open door being a reliability issue.

Only an idiot couldn't picture a stack of coolers in the space between a washer and a sink. Get out your crayons and draw your own picture.

Never planned to and still don't.

Let's see...

The door is opened over an area of the floor that is never, ever used unless I need to grab a cooler, so there is no wasted floor space. Only an idiot would have trouble with that concept.

Oh, hey look, there's 4 sq ft of always usable space on top of my front loader, more space than the open door would waste even if it was wasting space, which, by the way, it isn't. I'm pretty sure you don't have 4 sq ft of always useable space on top of your top loader.

You know what's wasted? The time spent trying to have an intelligent discussion with you.

Coolers? Ice chests? Refrigerators? Air conditioners? "Coolers" is ambiguous, dumbshit.

If you're stacking s*it in front of your washing machine you really are a loser.

Of course not. You're only interested in arguing your stupid point.

So you don't have a laundry. You have a washing machine in your storage room. Got it. I should have guessed that you were trailer trash.

Cabinets. It's better storage space than the floor. But go ahead and live like a slob.

Only because the whole concept is foreign to you.

Idiot. Do you actually believe the crap you write? Oh wait, I almost forgot (not really) that you will never, ever admit you're wrong, so you keep changing the subject.

Do a Google image search on "coolers". Tell me what the overwhelming majority of the images are. Actually, don't bother. Ignoring any further posts from you is going to be so much easier than trying to talk sense into you. If you actually think that I meant I have a stack of refrigerators or air conditioners next to my washing machine, you are more of an idiot than I already think you are.

Idiot. I said (twice) "between the washer and sink", not in front of the washer.

Idiot. Because I'm right, something you'll never admit.

Idiot. Go back and read where I stated which room the coolers are in.

Idiot. Cabinets hanging on the wall don't preclude available space on top of the washer. I have both. You?

Idiot. The whole concept of you being wrong is very familiar to me.

Do you even read the drivel you write? I suppose not. You're illiterate.

The word, as used, is ambiguous. But you answered the question; you're trailer trash.

Then you're FOS WRT the wasted space an open door takes. What a liar.

No, because, not only are you wrong but you're too stupid to write clearly.

What a dumbass.

You're not smart enough to breathe but that's nothing new.

On Sat 07 Dec 2013 03:03:23p, DerbyDad03 told us...

Amen to all of this and your previous comnments to krz. He really doesn't recognize who the idiot in the room is. Hmmm... Maybe if he had a mirror. :-)

On Sat 07 Dec 2013 09:54:32a, told us...

I'm going away from you as fast as I can. You are a total waste of space on this planet or any other. My last words...

Good. Now go away.

Any idea how they work?

Vaguely. They sample the water and determine the contamination and adjust the cycle accordingly.

Our KitchenAid does a fantastic job on the auto cycle.