Rather than repairing a leaky, creaky old toilet in a half-bath in my
house, I have decided to replace it. That brought on the sudden
realization that I have never bought a new toilet in my life. I've
repaired several toilets in several houses that I've owned, but this
is the first purchase.
One thing that I want to do is to take advantage of the new features
that are being offered on new toilets these days.
First, I want a "comfort height" toilet. I'm in good physical
condition now, but I am not getting any younger. A sprained ankle that
I got from skiing reminded me that I should make my house more
accessible in order to accommodate any physical issues that I may
encounter during the next 30 years. As long as the changes don't make
life more difficult for a healthy person, I will try to implement the
changes as the projects occur. A comfort-height toilet seems innocuous
enough. Anyone have any comments on tall toilets?
Next, I noticed that many of the new toilets are claiming to have
large flush capacity ("100 Feet of toilet paper", and such). Do these
claims have any basis in fact? Do they indeed reduce clogs? It's not
like clogs happen very often, but it would be nice to have a lower
Next, I saw one toilet that is claiming exceptional quietness. Since
most of the noise for a toilet is in the plumbing, can they indeed
reduce the noise significantly? If they do, how can I tell when it is
running excessively, and needs a new flapper?
Any assistance from someone who has recently replaced their toilet
would be appreciated.
Ignore Usenet hearsay, marketing double talk and get the facts.Pick up a copy of
the latest Maximum Performance Test of low flow toilets here:
Look for the link that says "6 Litre Toilets" and then click on the 8th edition
I have a new Toto that I like. They make a lot of models and I have
another but this one cost $100 more and is quieter. Neither has ever
clogged. I think in the beginning, the lower water use mandated
toilets did not flush as well as the old high volume ones but I do not
think this is true any longer.
Funny story; I had a roofer out the other day who offered me a great
deal on premium shingles with a 35 year warranty. I looked him in the
eye and said "Listen, sonny; I'm 60 years old. Why the hell would I
waste my money on a shingle with a 35 year warranty?"
The Rolls-Royce of toilets is the Toto. Yes, they are pricey, but if
you can afford it, it's the last toilet you will ever buy. You can
look them over at http://www.totousa.com/consumer_landing.asp and even
find a dealer in your area. You wanted modern features, so be sure and
look over the section on "washlets", but don't you dare show momma or
you are doomed.
Like any other household appliance, you get what you pay for.
That is one of those snappy sayings that I never believed. If anyone
believes that statement, then I have a $200 Thousand Ford Escort to
The Toto certainly looks advanced, but I didn't know what a 'washlet'
was. It's a stealth bidet. I'd have to warn my guests, or risk getting
slapped. Sadly, from the looks of it, Toto is out of my price range. I
will have to stick with those items stocked at my local Lowe's Home
Maybe he believes that those who believe in "you get what you pay for"
foolishly think that a high price indicates high quality. A high
price can be placed on a low-quality product, and there's a sucker
born every minute.
On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:33:06 -0500, Luke Howett Fitzhugh
I'm a neutral observer.
Except that I've been in your shoes, where I don't like the advice.
There can be two competing forces, a) the desire and the worthy goal
to keep the record straight by giving the disadvantages of the advice
one doesn't like, and b) the worthy goal of replying nicely to someone
who went to the trouble to gave advice in reply to one's request.
If there is no way meet a and b at the same time, one should settle
for b, and just say "Thank you".
Instead you gave short shrift to b, and you seem to add c, a
gratuitous insult: ">That is one of those snappy sayings that I never
believed. If anyone believes that statement, then I have a $200
Thousand Ford Escort to sell you." You say you don't believe him,
and that anyone who does is a fool, and that clearly means that the
person who gave the advice is a fool or a liar or stupid or mentally
ill. The least bad of these is that he's a fool.
I can understand not wanting to retract or anything, but I can't
understand complaining about his mild reply:
"No problem; buy the "Acme Deluxe Toilet" and plunge it three times a
Sorry I wasted my time trying to help...."
He feels he wasted his time, and he's keeping the record straight,
sort of like you kept the record straight that you thought his idea
wouldn't work. But he doesn't insult you.
Harry F hasn't posted much afaik and I don't know why he writes what
On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 19:26:44 -0500, Luke Howett Fitzhugh
The Toto (and the Gerber) really are worth the extra $$ if you are
looking to avoid problems, particularly if you have only one toilet in
your house. I'm an American Standard Cadet kinda person right now,
and that's just because 1) it fits my budget, and 2) I have the energy
and strength to deal with clearing it every once in a while.
Otherwise, I'd be buying one of these babies and never thinking again
about my personal waste removal. As John already said, you really do
get what you pay for.
An ADA compliant toilet has the necessary height and is an excellent
choice, even if you don't yet need the height. Every time my wife's
elderly uncle visits us, he thanks us for getting the ADA compliant
toilet. My recollection is that the ADA compliant model was not that
more expensive than the standard model, at least not so that I didn't
think it was worth it, but then I was remodeling the bathroom and wanted
a quality finished product.
I got a Toto because of their reputation for quality. Mine is not
particularly quiet, but certainly not as noisy as others I have heard.
The washlet is an option, and you can get the toilet without it. It can
be active or not, even if you have it installed, but once you use one,
you will almost certainly continue to use it. The only problem with the
washlet is that you need an electrical outlet nearby, which is pretty
rare in US bathrooms, but certainly not impossible to install if you are
Luke Howett Fitzhugh wrote:
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