Anyone else having this problem with cheap ass crap coming over from China.
Did a bunch of odd jobs yesterday and one was hanging a rather large
mirror.After hanging it and while I was standing there admiring my work and
the customer standing there to, one side of the hanger bracket broke. I
caught it just in time before it crashed to the floor. The customer looked
at me like I was an idiot. Upon further review the ring on mirror that hooks
to the hanger on the wall completely separated. It was not welded just
pressed together. I explained this to the customer but of course it
couldn't be her problem since she bought a cheap piece of crap from China.
Doubt I will ever get a call from her again.
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can\'t make them THINK"
You really can't be held responsible for failure of materials provided by
your customer. Its a shame some people are so critical as to blame you.
Its true there is a serious quality problem from goods made in china but
only part of it is the Chinese fault. Part of the blame is for the
companies who buy manufactured products with only price in mind and never
inspect the facility or send anyone in person. There is a reason these
things are so much cheaper than goods made in the west, its because we ask
for it and we got what we pay for and corners are cut in every place they
China is developing quickly. Pretty soon their workers will get payed more
and the recent quality problems in the news will force a culture of change
in the manufacturing community there (it is already happening) as a result
the prices will climb and we will be complaining about the same thing from
goods made elsewhere (likely vietnam next).
If your customer wanted a quality mirror, she should have payed more for it.
We all seem to want stuff priced next to nothing but we complain when we get
what we pay for. Damn are we spoiled.
Its actually far more complicated than that. Even if you try to make
quality goods, counterfit components will sneek in and get you anyway.
I doubt you will either.
Did you complain about the boards you used for the other projects being too
long? Or not being pre-nailed?
Sometimes "ready-to-install" items are not and must be adjusted, tuned,
shaped, re-worked, twisted, sanded, or even, god forbid, "some assembly
Ever buy a toilet that came with a wax ring? Or a "pre-hung" door that had a
tube of caulk in the kit?
What "adjustments" do you recommend being done on a mirror bracket that
likely had a bad weld or was made from soft material?
What "adjustments" would you recommend for the bag of soft hardware
(bolts) that if it had an honest grade it would likely be -3 my friend
bought at home cheepo for a project he asked me to help him with?
First of all Dude, I'm a master carpenter and furniture builder and I know
how to cut a board!
And your point is?
Why would you need a tube of caulk for a door? Obviously you have never
installed one. The only time I use caulk, painted crown molding edge
A lot of what you buy you don't even know where's it's made. Lot of what you
buy from China has hidden defects. Defects that you would not think would
fail. Bottom line, China makes crap and they know it. The companies that
sell the crap know it to. Profit and volume is the only thing that drives
these companies not quality.
It's finally starting to hit some of the American public and they're
starting to take notice. Some of my high end customers are asking me to
build them the furniture they want. Why? They know China builds crap and
try to find furniture made in US. It does not exist, except in high end
studios and specialty shops on line.
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can\'t make them THINK"
But can you join two boards together? Do you have the skills and the time
to make joints such as at
- I don't think so.
Q: Do you know what you get when you buy cheap furniture? --
A: Cheap furniture!
Low quality Western-style furniture is ordered by the U.S mass marketers to
be competitive in a mass market. High end Chinese furniture is much more
expensive and may take years to produce. It's very difficult to
special-order a piece of good furniture because the construction time and
attention to detail makes the delivery date months or even years away.
You've been looking in the wrong places, for the wrong kind of product. To
see good Chinese work, you should read Chinese Domestic Furniture in
Photographs and Measured Drawings by Gustav Ecke and you should look at good
Chinese furniture products. You'll find a level of workmanship and
attention to detail that doesn't exist outside of China. A Chinese
woodworker will routinely make compound joinery with a level of complexity
that is an order of magnitude greater than in Western furniture. The design
will be braced and counter-braced with no mechanical fasteners whatsoever
and the joinery will be unusually complex in order to hide the joinery
I have a Huanghuali (yellow rosewood) altar table in an antique design, made
in China with antique lumber recycled from a demolished house, of
extraordinary design and extremely ornate carving and joinery. For our
bedroom I bought three imported 8'W x 9'H teak walls with a hand-carved
border flower motif that runs the length and height of each panel.
Something this intricate and detailed could never be produced in the U.S.
because American woodworkers don't have the attention to detail, the
attention span -- or the market -- to produce and sell such an item.
The difference is that even good Western furniture is eventually disposable,
replaced after its useful life is over.
Good Chinese furniture is built to be a permanent fisture, handed down
through the family for generations.
That is a very accurate description. Anyone who thinks the Chinese "make
crap" doesn't understand big box. Big box buyers scour the earth looking
for the cheapest stuff they can buy in order to maximize their margins.
They have large marketing budgets to tell you you are getting a good
deal from them.
China has one of the oldest civilizations on the earth and they are
smart and skilled. When a big box outfit places an order for furniture
made from particle board with a picture of wood glued on it that is
fastened with staples that is exactly what the Chinese will build.
Don't buy 3/4 inch galvanized nipples made in China either. I put a
pair on a water filter I installed. The first set made it a month or
two before the leaks began. I replaced them, and one of the new ones
is going after a year. I just ordered up a pair of american made
nipples to hopefully put the problem to rest once and for all.
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