There's some truth to some of what you say. You've got to admit, however,
Me? I'm not worried about grandma getting unplugged; I'm worried about
whether she'll get plugged up in the first place.
Yes you have to read between the lines with the govt. healt care. He
did say gradma would not get unplugged, but notice that he omitted
completely, nor did the press ask, if she would get high-tech life
support in the first place. So he was speaking the truth, but
probably by omission.
Guess what? IMHO, most grandmas (and grandpas) would prefer to NOT get
plugged up in the first place, once they are past a certain point on the
decay curve. It should be their decision, of course, not the family's
and for damn sure not the doctor's. But of the older relatives and
friends I have discussed this with (now that <I> am going gray), pretty
much all of them said that once they are not aware of their
surroundings, they would just as soon not hang around. They all
routinely insist on DNR orders when they go into the hospital.
Said orders apply if their gatekeeper physician decides that recovery to
a functional self-sufficient state is unlikely. Keep them clean, keep
them out of pain, but otherwise let nature take its course.
or any government.
at least with private insurance companies and hospitals,you can negotiate
with them,and sue them.
You can't do either with the government.(practically speaking)
You'd be long dead by the time the case got to court.
BTW,the whole "death panel" thing is about some gov't committee deciding
whether one gets expensive treatments,probably using actuarial tables.
Get too old *or in poor shape*,and the unknown gov't committee says NO to
further treatments,only allowing(paying for) mediation of pain and
Oh,and Obama himself has said that he expects it to take 10-15 yrs to drive
out private health insurers,to reach his goal of "single payer".So this
talk of "public option" coverage is merely a diversion.
Here's a situation I am familiar with in the UK and am one of the
Look at the acronym NICE (National Institute of Health and Clinical
Excellence) - the name of the government death squad.
With Obamacare, this is where US is heading.
For most grandmas, the government is already paying the bills through Medicare.
They don't have any death panels and haven't for over 40 years. Based on my
experiences with my parents, Medicare would have pay for a whole lot more health
care than they wanted.
The whole death panel thing and it's variants is pure scare tactics. I wish
this discussion could be kept on a factual, rational plain. Yes, some of the
people in favor of health care are using emotional tactics as well. "Evil
profit making insurance companies."
yes,and Obama wants to change that,to cut costs.
After all,Medicare and Medicaid are both operating at a loss.
I also note that supplemental insurance is offered to cover what those
plans will not cover.
No,it's a possible consequence of Obama's "change".
Thanks for posting that link, but it didn't seem to contain any references to
specific pending bills and relevant sections in them. You don't expect any
article titled "5 Liberal Lies About Obamacare" to contain well referenced
research and this one doesn't disappoint.
It talks about 100 people a week in Britain losing their eye sight due to a
shortage of eye doctors. You dig into the reference they provide and you
discover it is all based on a single unsupported statement from a Liberal
Democrat MP. Would you believe it if Barney Frank said it? Scare tactics.
From just today:
"Thousands of women are having to give birth outside [UK] maternity wards
because of a lack of midwives and hospital beds."
It would help if the reader had at least minimal understanding of
hospital maternity units. We don't build specialized hospital units to
accomodate the maximum number of patients possible - they are to
accomodate the most likely need. This goofy article mentions women
giving birth on toilets....that does happen now and then, but more
likely in a high-school or college dorm. Giving birth in a bed outside
of the standard delivery room is no biggy - loads of women in the US
give birth at home BY CHOICE. During a full moon, strange things happen :o)
Then the factotums in charge of the NHS are evidently no better at
arithmetic than they are at managing care. Of course the managers of the
local trust can report to their betters that "We have never exceeded our
"[Home birth] by loads of women by choice?" Maybe two dozen a year in a
country with ten times the population of the UK*. And whereas midwives are a
staple in the UK, they are used only by the fringe in the US.
* Actually 8% according to the National Center for Health Statistics.
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