Can I use a dropcord in the pool?

[Calab]

You mean like this:

...and not following the complete thread...

Only a complete idiot would use an electrical cord in water unless specifically designed to do so.

[Floyd L. Davidson]

So you actually don't have any idea at all how to solve that problem! What a hoot. (No, it isn't "arithmetic".)

So you are saying it is impossible to weld underwater... which is a bit of another hoot.

If electricity and water are *necessarily* so deadly, tell me why how a guy can take a fire hose and spray water on a high voltage power distribution line to clean the dirt off of insulatiors! Or for that matter why said power line doesn't just melt the poles when it rains...

[hallerb]

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the water used to clean high tension lines is not grounded. the insulators are designed to not allow water to collect in a continious path

a pro can do all sorts of work around high voltage safely if they follow all the rules.

sadly now and then even a professional lineman makes a mistake and gets killed.

[Floyd L. Davidson]

At least no more and no less so than the swimming pool and other things that supposedly are grounded because they are wet with a water path to "ground". The point of course is that just being wet does *not* cause sufficient ground to make a good electrical path.

And of course it is no more, and no less, "grounded" than the water that surround fellows who do the welding on ships and drill rigs underwater that Clark claimed above is impossible!

"Collect" meaning what???

The insulators are *soaked*, and wet all over. That is sometimes true when it rains, and is always true when they are sprayed.

Exactly my point.

Understanding how it works is a lot safer than "follow the rules".

I'd guess off hand that "professional linemen" get killed while working less often than the "average freeway driver". For that matter, I'll be far more linemen die in highway accidents that are electrocuted...

[Floyd L. Davidson]

Almost right.

Complete (or even partial) idiots should not use electricity in and around water. It's too dangerous for them.

But somebody who knows what going on, and can specifically design a system to work in and around water, is quite safe.

[hallerb]

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ever notice the shape of insulators for high voltage, ribbs might be one lame description, the in and outs keep water from sheeting providing a path to ground.

[Floyd L. Davidson]

What you are describing actually has nothing to do with "sheeting" water at at all. Straight vertical sides would better accomplish what you say it supposedly does. The ribbs are there to make the actual surface path physically longer. That helps when the insulator is wet or damp, to be sure, and it helps just as much when it is dry and covered with dust.

Regardless, when they are sprayed, and during extended periods of rain, the insulators are totally wet. According to what has been claimed in this article by others, that should short out the line betten phases, and because the pole is also wet it should short everthing to ground. It should be deadly to walk near such a pole! Everyone of them should be bursting into flames from these short circuits! (Of course none of that is true, it doesn't happen that way.)

[Clark]

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Yup. Only there is less visibility and you really need to listen to the communications to get a feel for how things work. It isn't fun for anyone involved.

[Clark]

[e-mail] (Floyd L. Davidson) wrote in news: [e-mail]:

Wrong again Floyd. I'm pointing out the fact that you don't understand simple algebra and are confusing the arithmetic with that algebra. Go take a high school class in algebra and try to understand. Okay?

Nope. Never said that at all and you are totally wrong to leap to that baseless conclusion. Of course I knew you would embarass yourself by once again jumping to the wrong conclusion. Like I said, go weld underwater and you'll start to understand...

I never said they were so deadly. Why are you so stupid about thinking that I said that? Can you read? Do you only see what you want to see? In truth I think that your head is so far up your ass that you can only see that you must be correct and everyone that has another point of view must be wrong. Man you have one shitty outlook. Good luck Floyd and I hope that things get better for you.

[Clark]

[e-mail] (Floyd L. Davidson) wrote in news: [e-mail]:

Guess you should live in a desert then.

Oh wow. That must be why all those systems out there are run through water. How many are there? Oh gee, maybe there are so few 'cause they are so hard to maintain. Too bad you don't admit that Floyd. You really are wrong for telling people that it's ok to run drop cords through a pool. You really shouldn't even think about it being ok. Do you really hate so much that you'd like to encourage people to take a chance on electrocuting themselves? If so you really should get professional mental help. Seriously.

[Clark]

[e-mail] (Floyd L. Davidson) wrote in news: [e-mail]:

Go back and read it again. I did not say that it was impossible. I said that you should go do it so you would experience the reality for yourself.

Of course I was correct in noting that you would miss the point. Oh well, that's your loss Floyd since you proved the correctness of my observation.

[Clark]

[e-mail] (Floyd L. Davidson) wrote in news: [e-mail]:

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Only in your delusional mind have others claimed this. You really need to work on your reading comprehension skills. Seriously.

[Mark]

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the thing to think about is that NOT ALL the current follows through the direct path of least resistnace. The current will spread out in a shape similar to the way iron filings spread out around two poles of a magnet. SOME current will flow at a distance. And it takes only a few mA to cause you trouble. If you are far enough away, you will be OK, but if you get too close even without touching a wire, enough current may pass through you to cause a problem.

Mark

[Floyd L. Davidson]

[Floyd L. Davidson]

I do.

Deserts, BTW, are not necessarily void of water.

Well, ain't that odd that you can't find overhead power lines in places like Ketchikan or Douglas Alaska, or Seattle Washington, or Florida... places where it rains, and they are *wet* with water on them a great deal of the time.

I didn't tell anyone to run a drop cord through a pool. I said that if you know what you're doing, it doesn't kill people. That's a fact.

You obviously should not try it.

Sinking pretty low there, when you are cornered and have nothing valid to say, eh?

[Floyd L. Davidson]

Everyone seems to have missed your point. That's because you didn't make one.

[Floyd L. Davidson]

That is true, but perhaps doesn't convey quite enough perspective.

Current flows through a complete circuit, and the amount of current is an direct inverse relationship to the amount of resistance. If there is half as much resistence in one path as opposed to another, there will be twice as much current. And just the same, if there is a million times as much resistence, the current will be 1 millionth.

The trick though, is that 1 millionth of very little is even less, while 1 millionth of a lot can still be enough to kill a person. It's knowing which is appropriate that counts... :-)

[Clark]

[e-mail] (Floyd L. Davidson) wrote in news: [e-mail]:

"Everyone"? You claim to speak for everyone? What a loon.

I'll type slow this time so you have a chance to stay up.

Go weld underwater. It will shock you. Try it.

[Clark]

[e-mail] (Floyd L. Davidson) wrote in news: [e-mail]:

Good. Maybe you won't hurt yourself too bad.

Do try to have a point (other than the one on your head).

Floyd, just in case you hadn't noticed, there is a heck of a difference between a pool and a rain wet line. Got it?

No you didn't say that. Go back and read your post and then you can come back here and apologize for your patently false claim.

(here's a hint, you said it wasn't staged and then you said it was ok to do it)

I see that you can't answer my question. The question is perfectly valid by the way. Maybe you should show this post to a close friend that you trust and they can counsel you to get help. Of course you probably don't have any friends but I tried. Get help Floyd. Seriously.

[Clark]

[e-mail] (Floyd L. Davidson) wrote in news: [e-mail]:

Then why respond? You just can't stand someone exposing your errors, can you? Here's a hint: if you can't stand it then don't post. Got it?