I don't see what's wrong with this:
"The changes would allow utilities to adjust customers' preset
temperatures when the price of electricity is soaring. Customers could
override the utilities' suggested temperatures. But in emergencies,
the utilities could override customers' wishes."
Seems to me it's better than a blackout.
Our utility co. has been installing these thermostats for several years
now. They call it the "Peak Saver Program." It is a Honeywell
programmable stat that they install free. They say during certain peak
hours (don't remember exactly what they were, but late afternoon during
summer, no mention of winter) they can turn the system off for something
like 10 or 15 minutes/hr. I've been to quite a few customers who have
them, and have not heard any complaints so far. Larry
Yeah. Our local Co-Op puts "Load Management" boxes in and offer $75 of your
electric bill for a hooking it to a water heater
and $75 for having it hooked to their A/C. They SAY they will only turn it
off for 15 minutes during peak hours, but the past 2 summers they have been
turning it off for up to an hour.
Our customers get pretty pissed when they call us out on the weekend and
they get charged overtime for the Load Management
being the cause for a "No A/C" call.....
Interesting. Our utility offers the same load management boxes outside
on the AC/Heat pump but does one of two programs.
1) One management period (15) mins for a $25 one time credit.
2) Two back to back periods (up to 30 min) for a $35 one time credit.
Both of these also offer some kind of credit per month for the actual
amount of management time used.
Nothing for the water heaters.
Havent heard anyone complaining about the outages.
This is the second time they have implemented this program.
The first time was 10ish years ago and lasted about 1 year and
At one time we had something like that. The power company would turn off
the power up to 30minuits (they said) and give you so much off the power
bill. One summer they would flash on the TV screen for people to cut off
things to conserve power.
The people did and then at the end of the year the power company said we did
not use enought power so they wanted to raise the rates..
Most of all this is so they can keep the money and not build more power
plants to make up for the increased usage as the population and industry
A few years back the aluminuim company was making more selling electricity
at the local plant than it was selling aluminum. They built a system of
lakes and dams to do make the electricity for the aluminum process. They
drained all the lakes in the area to do that even though we were in a
You must be from San Fransico.
Nobody is going to tell me how warm or cold I can be!
If the State of Kalifornia would get off their tree-hugging asses and allow
some new (NUKE!) power plants, they wouldn't have a power problem.
But they think the wind and sun are going to supply all of the power they
As I stated before: I don't see how anyone lives there.....
Nope. You're off by 3000 miles. Now, see if you can guess what color
shirt I'm wearing.
So...during a blackout, you'd be, besides sweating, what exactly?
Proud to be independent like all of those other independent people who
can't show some restraint so measures like this aren't necessary? Go
I agree that NIMBY and I-Gotta-Have-It-Now! don't coexist peacefully.
I think the majority of the public, regardless of where they live, have
the belief that everyone should conserve energy-- electricity, NG, fuel
oil and gasoline-- so there will be plenty for me to use as I want. I
read where Gore's electric bill is about $2500/mo.
That's actually Gore's combined electric and gas bills.
That site also mention's Gore's lack of support for nuclear power, which
is a big part of making carbon footprints smaller.
- Don Klipstein ( firstname.lastname@example.org)
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 09:17:28 -0600, email@example.com (lp13-30) wrote:
It's a cultural thing.
Americans generally believe that you can use as much as you want, and
can pay for. For many, It's kind of a birthright that nobody really
thinks about unless there is a serious attempt to ration it or take it
Other countries don't have it so good. In France, for instance, the
device they call a Disjouncter will cut your power if you try to use
too much of it (depending on the class of service you fit into). It
doesn't matter if you system has the capacity or you otherwise can
We kind of pay lip service to conservation and feel good about
switching to CFL lights and installing solar panels. But, when the
peaktime crunch comes, it's usually during the summer when everyone
wants to crank their A/C to the max.
There is no blanket shortage of energy.
When you are not operating at peak demand, from a utility standpoint,
conservation is of lessor importance... Every additional kiloWatt
consumed is a kiloWatt that can be produced and transmitted at a
profit. It's in your utilities interest to sell as many of them as
It's only when the peak load stresses the system to maximum capacity
that conservation becomes worthwhile (again from the utility
standpoint). Generation, transmission, and distribution systems are
operating a full capacity and it becomes very expensive to minimize
the transmission bottlenecks and add additional generation capacity.
No, as with everything else in my life, I don't tend to rely on outsiders or
government or anyone else for my well being. I am a conservative, and an
environmentalist. I don't waste energy when I'm buying it from a utility,
and when they can't provide it, I generate my own, and use it sparingly and
only for the essentials
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