As for defeating the system - put OBVIOUS phone and cable connections
- but actually dummies, where they would be expected, and hide the
real ones. A cellular backup is almost standard equipment now on
monitored systems - and the whole system is set up to run off a backup
battery in case of power disconnect.
On Apr 6, 3:39 pm, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
I don't know about Canada, but when I checked about a year
ago here in the USA there was quite a
big price differential between a monitored service you can get
via phone or internet connection and one that includes cellular
backup. You could be paying $50 more a month for the cellular
one. Whether it's worth it depends on what you have to protect,
how prevalent crime is in your area, etc. I suspect any system
that goes off is going to send 99% of the thieves running.
You could probably find a sticker that says "Protected by a
cellular system", even if you don't have one, which might
add some discouragement.
I think for most people seeking one, a good system that is
installed correctly, with loud sirens inside and outside the
house, that is monitored in some way can be effective.
As for the OP's silent alarm so that police can catch the burglar,
forget that. Police get lots of alarm calls and almost all
of them are false. There is no guarantee as to how fast
they will respond. You want the perp detered before he
actually enters the building if possible. An alarm going
off when they force a door or break glass can do that.
Same thing for the silent alarm so you can use your
gun to defend your property. You want the burglar
defeated before they even enter the house, by the
alarm going off. Or failing that, as soon after they
enter the house as possible. The gun is for last
Also, some mention was made of having the alarm
system contact a neighbor. In most cases, I think
that is a bad idea with all kinds of problems. Ranging
from the neighbor getting false alarm calls at 3AM.
To, what do you want the neighbor to do? Go over
and find out if a burglar is really there? How about
the burglar attacks them or since the alarm should
also have gone to the police, they show up and
the neighbor winds up against the wall or worse?
On Fri, 6 Apr 2012 10:28:39 -0700 (PDT), Robert Macy
My brother's vacation home/trailer was a target for theives until he
installed an X10 alarm system with cameras and PC recorder - and a set
of Fiamm air horms - all run off a good UPS system so it works even 8
hours after the power is disconnected.
One miscreant left a patch of denim with better than a square inch of
skin/flesh from his shin on the "downspoout re-enforcement" at the
back corner of the trailer when he headed for the bush when the
flood-lights came on and blinded him.
That was the last episode - on a cold stormy winter night when the
power was out in the whole area and the guy must have figured the
"obvious" alarm system would be useless.
The neighbours know if they hear the air horn something untoward is
going on at the place on the bend - and they are often there, cell
phone in hand, by the time my brother is online checking out the
cameras. The last time the neighbour had the police called within
minutes. Didn't get the guy, but he spent a long cold (and apparently
painfull) night in the bush, because the cops were around for quite
some time waiting for him to come out. When my brother got there next
morning he found tracks leading from the bush to a house down the way
that is known to be trouble - no proof it was him, but apparently all
his bad-news buddies now know it's not worth the effort.
On 4/6/2012 3:03 PM, email@example.com wrote:
I had a friend who bought a small apartment complex from the city and
had a problem with trespassers invading the place at night while he
repaired the damaged done to the units by metal thieves. I gave him an
Edwards 870P-N5 AdaptaHorn wired up to some motion detecting flood
lights. We installed the lights/horn behind the complex where there was
a barbed wire fence. One night he was awakened by the horn going off and
the next morning he found bits of torn black cloth and bloody chunks of
human flesh all over the barbed wire fence. Word got out and he had no
more nightly visitations. ^_^
Sorry to read about your b/i. I know how it feels.
I don't think fake stickers are a bad idea at all.
A good insurance policy is a good idea too. If you have one that
replaces stolen items at present value even better. You have to do a
cost benefit analysis but for me having a good policy paid off well.
I had security doors installed. They really don't look that bad, or they
didn't on my old house. Some say they are a hazard because they can be
difficult to escape in case of a fire. It's something to consider.
That way the burglars can't walk right out the front door with your
stuff. They usually go with the path of least resistance. My neighbor
got a little upset when I put mine in but too bad. They don't cost that
much and he can buy his own if he doesn't like it.
I lived in a real high crime area (Abq NM) and after that we never got
I like fake or real visible cameras. If they are real, you got video. You
also can see outside. I got some fake ones.
When I lived in Abq. I had some problems with a wacko neighbor. A
exterior camera would have been nice but lighting, cost and maintenance
kept me from doing it. Didn't think about a fake one.
Anymore you gotta be real careful. Big Brother might be watching
What's to keep a burglar from breaking one of the side windows, which
isn't covered by the security door, and simply reach in to undo the
locks from inside? Do you have a double-cylinder deadbolt on the main door?
Someone here uses the tag line, "when seconds count, the police are
only minutes away.
You want them away from the house and afraid to even try an actual
break-in. Lights on motion detectors are the first line of defense.
Next is an intrusion alarm for the doors and windows. That too,
should turn on some light and sound an alarm.
Really? What if you come in second place in the contest? I'm
prepared to defend my self and family, but my first preference is to
avoid the confrontation. I don't practice with a gun every day so
reality is, for safety, I'd rather keep it at the ready, but never
No extremes, but good locks are a start. Simple things like drilling
through the window frame and inserting a nail helps keep them from
They are now considered a code violation in many places. One morning
many years ago though, I found my back door window broken, but no
entry thanks to a double key lock.
<<Thus, used the dead spaces under our cabinetry in bathroom and kitchen
and built fake back walls into several closets. I converted the
kickstep covers for the cabinetry to become removable. Each was held
in place with those "push to open" latches. Contents under cabinets
were those heavy coin collections etc, heavy, thin flat items, more
than 200 lb total. The spaces made by the fake back walls in the
closets were to enclose larger items, like sterlingware, special
jewelry, etc. and wife's collection of furs. NOBODY knew about the
false areas, except us.>>
<<Then added a more conventional, and prominent, bolt down safe to occupy
anyone who wanted to hang around and get the lollipop out of it.>>
Great idea. You KNOW they are going to waste their time trying to open or
remove the safe. Every second you delay them with the decoy safe means it's
one less second they can spend looking for the real treasure.
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You need to decide what your risk is, and who is likely to provide that
risk. If your neighborhood has had few burglers your risk is probably
low. If it has had many..... Are you really trying to protect
valuables or are more concerned about personal safety if you are home
during an attempted break-in? Are your valuables insured? Are they
replaceable if stolen? How important would it be to replace them if
only of sentimental value? Are the burglars you are concerned about
likely to be amateurs or professional?
The answers to these questions will guide you to what type of security
investment is most appropriate for your circumstances. There is not one
optimal solution for all situations.
And, with the rare exception of certain types of military sites, almost
every conceivable valuable and security protected place has been
burglarized at one time or another. So, you need to realize that you
will not be preventing burglary, only making it less likely.
I'd like to see that theory validated by others in some real
publications or news stories / interviews.
What you find that gets stolen is cash, prescription meds, jewlery,
coins and guns. Electronic items are largely ignored (unless they're
small enough to stuff into a knap-sack or pillow case).
Every home will have that same assortment of stuff - to one extent or
another, so there's no real point to go back to the same house you've
hit before because you can be assured of getting it somewhere else
when-ever you want.
Now, whether or not a *different* thief will hit the same home that was
robbed in the past, that's another issue, and if the two thiefs know
each other and which homes they've each robbed.
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