I am looking for ideas/shorcuts and the best way to begin a project in
my bathroom. Here is the problem. On the wall are bathroom simulated
tiles that are actually like paneling(4'x8' but cut into 4'x4'
sections). The panels only extend 4' up the wall on 2 sides. These
panels are glued in place with construction adhesive that has been
trowled on using a 1/4 gluing trowel. How can I remove these panels
and the adhesive so I can install new ones? Can they just be pryed
off and then the glue sanded flush to the wall? Are they hard to
I'm not looking forward to doing this but the panels are old and look
terrible. Any information appreciated.
If the panels are well bonded to the wall, you'll have a nasty job.
Sometimes it's easier to leave the old panels in place and bond a new
surface. Other times it's easier to remove the old walls out to the
framing and start over.
Depending on the adhesive used you may be able to:
1) pry the tiles off, however you may find that one layer of the tile
stays behind or one layer of the substrate (the original wall) comes
off with the tile.
2) dissolve the adhesive with an appropriate solvent. This is a messy,
potentially dangerous (flamable solvent, air quality issues) process.
You may get lucky and find that water is the solvent or that water
weakens a layer on one of the surfaces.
3) physically abuse the adhesive and make it give up. Heat or cold may
do the trick.
4) slowly pry the tiles off. Some adhesives don't like a steady pull.
Try driving a wedge between the substrate and the tiles. Leave the
wedge in place for a few days and see what happens. You may find that
the panel pops off.
5) try combinations of above.
Try different techniques on a small area and decide what works for you.
If you hired a burly crew by the job, they would use brute force and
attack with the largest pry bar or chisel they owned and would take out
the tiles in large chunks. If large chunks of substrate came away,
well, that's the way it goes -- the finish crew can patch things.
Ideally, you'd like to leave a level surface after the tiles are
removed. You don't care too much what this surface is, as long as it
provides a solid base for the next layer. If the panels separate
cleanly from the adhesive, you can apply new adhesive over the old. (If
these were overhead tiles, I would not recommend this technique because
the bond over old adhesive is usually not as strong as it could be.)
Since this is a bathroom that may have been remodeled on one or more
previous outings, you may find that the tiles are covering severely
damaged areas. You may be faced with some areas that separate cleanly
and others where there is no underlying wall or wall that is or had
been waterlogged. The 4x4 sections of tile suggests that the previous
construction was done quickly and inexpensively or that they needed to
cover a problem.
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Thank you very much Barry for the great information. I am going to
investigate the "leave the old panels in place and bond a new
surface" you mention. My Carpal Tunnel is already having fits just
thinking about getting into this project.
I appreciate your input.
On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 20:14:04 -0400, firstname.lastname@example.org (Barry Mann) wrote:
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