Are there realy people who don't even own a set of screwdrivers?

I know of two people like that. OTOH, I have #2 Phillips screwdrivers all over the house.

They call their friends (or friends' parents) who have tools.

My family made sure I had a little tool kit when I went off to college.

Cindy Hamilton

- including replacing light bulbs ! Probably a good thing though , they'd hurt themselves or break things worse if they tried to repair anything .

With a post like yours, I would have thought you would have one of the very basic tool kits in you car. I have had one for years. Now I have the Harbor Freight $ 30 ( on sale) kit in my car. Good enough tools to get many jobs done in a pench.

Some do not have the basic tools in their house. I really like the insurance commercial where there are two teenage boys that can not even change their flat tire.

That information should be part of the drivers education course in school.

Ifthere isn't an app for it, they're SCREWED - no screw drivers required!

I was given a Handy Andy tool set when I was about 8 Some tools were for children only but others were full size.

I have a bunch of screwdrivers in the house, another in the car, and when I take a long trip, I bring a little shirt-pocket screwdriver with

When I went swimming in salt-water with my car key, with the screwdriver, I was able to open it up and replace the battery. It didn't help.

I really like this one - for around the house.

It seems a bit expensive, at first, but it's made in USA with decent quality bits, good useful assortment, and my fav. feature in a multi screwdriver - long slim neck - I really hate the short fat shanks - can't get into those difficult places. My only complaint - after many years of use - the bits become less snug - they don't fall out on their own but might come out when stuck in a screw head. Good stocking stuffer for all those friends, relatives, etc and buy one for the car. John T.

My daughter knew how to change the oil and change a tire. She would just call one of the guys she knows and they would do it for her.

On Fri 14 Sep 2018 01:19:25p, told us...

Almost identical to the one I have. We have an assortment of hand tools in a tool box in our laundry room, also one in one of our sheds, and few various screwdrivers and pliers in each of our desks. I can't imagine people not owning tools.

Of course if they have no clue as to how to use them, then they're better off without them.

You're living in the past. With some of the new cars there's nothing to change a flat tire to. At least mine has a donut. I was going to put a real tire in but it doesn't fit.

I have tools, plenty of tools, tools all over the place. Now ask me if I can ever find the one I'm looking for in under 15 minutes.

Both of my girls had to manage changing a tire before they got the keys to Mom's car. Both have also changed their own oil - once.

They both have CAA but generally use COD insted (Call Old Dad) -a little less from #2 daughter since she married a truck mechanic - - -

Nope. I can eye it closer in many cases.

I may be living in the past. My last car is a 2017 toyota and it has something to change to so you can get to a place to get a new tire or the old one patched.

Seems that I do remember about 20 years ago some companies were sending out the cars with out spares as there was a tire shortage.

What kind of an idiot company puts out cars without a spare of somekind ? More important, what idiot buys a car with out some sort of spare ?

Let's view the "facts" here..... you met people who don't own screwdrivers yet you ask if there are really (2 Ls) people who don't even own a set of screwdrivers, thus, already providing you the "facts" to which you question. Gee, and I thought you were big on facts.

Since camber has to be tested parallel to the wheel, and since most levels touch the tire bulge, I wonder if the accuracy of the phone angle indicators is enough to do rear camber on the bimmer?

The spec is negative two degrees (plus or minus something like a tenth or so) where I have it set currently to just shy of zero degrees (that's the most it would go) for tire wear reasons, where I'd have to look up the plus or minus, but I'd be happy at just being able to measure it to a quarter of a degree.

Do you think those phone angle measurements can measure to a quarter of a degree in the minus one to two degree range needed for camber.

I agree that a donut works. It's also a *lot* easier for women to put on the car in an emergency. I've even driven about 1000 miles (worn to the belts) on a donut.

But ...

What on earth is the advantage of a donut for most people?

Why do they even put them in the car?

They take up (almost) as much room, don't they? I mean, how much space is really saved?

They're almost as heavy, aren't they? (In terms of percentage of a 3000 pound car I mean.)

They must cost almost as much.

What on earth is the *advantage* of a donut?

:)

It was rhetorical.

Look it up.

I'd trust it to hang a picture frame on the wall, not for a setting that affect $500 worth of tires.