Since most ovens are not electric and on any given moment there are usually planty of lightbulbs and no ovens running, I think lighting is something to go after more than ovens.
The biggest consumer of electricity is electric motors in climate control equipment and refrigeration equipment - compressor motors, fan motors and blower motors.
Lighting is second to that group. It appears to me that third place is electric heating.
I would think that the cost of electric stoves makes a lot of people do much of their cooking with microwaves and convection ovens more than electric stoves anyway.
Only sometimes true. I have found most non-sylvania non-special-color non-dollar-store spirals 19 watts or less to be quite impressively incandescent-like in the color of their light.
Sylvania ones appear to me a bit harsher-whiter. Then there are "Bright White" (3500K) ones that are somewhat whiter still but still "warm" - and I like those, though though they can clash a bit when mixed with incandescents.
"Daylight" ones are normally an icy cold slightly bluish white, which I think is not good for most indoor home use.
Then there are the dollar store junkers, which I usually have multiple complaints about.
Most get to nearly full light output in less than a minute, often less than half a minute. Outdoor types and any types with outer bulbs over them (whether "outdoor" or not) tend to have greater warmup issues.
How about N:Vision A19 or 40 watt ceiling fan ones? If you want faster warmup and brighter start than ones with outer bulbs, how about regular spirals? If a flood light type's bulb fits, you should be able to screw a spiral in while holding the ballast housing part rather than the tubing.
As many are saying, they often actually reduce mercury pollution by decreasing coal consumption. And why weren't all the 4-footers that schools, hospitals and businesses used so big a problem back when they had
20-plus times more mercury than modern compact ones ahve?
Many in sci.engr.lighting have favored a tax over a ban.
I think closets are where CFLs usually make less sense, due to short ontime and low usage.
High pressure sodium lamps do have Hg, and none have as good color rendering as most CFLs, few have color rendering better than that of the worst dollar store CFLs, and all start dimmer and take longer to warm up than most CFLs, and I have yet to hear of an HPS under 35 watts.
Low pressure sodium has warmup issues as severe as an outdoor CFL on a cold winter day, and the worst color rendering that any common illumination lamp technology ever had.
And where electricity costs more, which has some positive correlation with being other than hydropower, electric heat is used less. So I would say environmental impact and cost percentages of home electricity being from lighting being higher than the total nationwide electricity consumption percentage from lighting.
Of course, I would favor efficiency standards for refrigerators and air conditioners.
It is a big push because it is a tool that actually works are reducing the problem. It certainly is not the whole answer, but add together enough small answers and you may just maybe reduce the problem.
I have seen this figure tossed about, but even after Googling AND Yahooing, I can't find an original (or any approaching) an actual citation. Anyone know where I ca get it, I'd like to see how it was figured.
Wasn't a big deal before we knew it was a big deal and they are now much less mercury? Also CFL average 3-4 mg mercury, but how many more of them would there be if used instead of incandescent and that woudl do what to the TOTAL amount of mercury floating around.
They are not supposed to be. EPA suggests recycling or taking to municipal hazardous materials disposal it at all possible. States may restrict your ability to put these with regular trash. EPA and others also suggest a whole different method of disposal (starting with clearing and sealing the room for 15 minutes while the Hg dissipates) than with regular lights. All revolves around the mercury.
That's assuming the mercury makes it through the concrete liner of the landfill. AND, you are also assuming the mercury is in a particular form. Not all forms of mercury are toxic.
Kanter, somehow *you* turned a conversation about power plant mercury emissions into a political rant about Dick Cheney. You really should wait to post until after you've sobered up. When you post in this condition, you make even less sense than you usually do.
How come you stopped using your real name on your posts, Kanter? Ashamed?
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