I just changed from a pay news server to a free aioe.org. I am limited to
25 a day, and that's fine, as I've been trying to cut down on that, as well
as a few other things.
However, I have been receiving error messages, and messages that go to my
outbox, and are not sent directly.
Should I be considering another FREE (!) (keyword free) way of accessing
You should post the error messages. The most basic issues I can see
1) posting to more than 3 groups (can't do it - 3 is the limit)
2) posting to a combination of 2 or 3 groups where one of the groups is
3) posting to 2 or 3 groups where one of the hierarchies doesn't allow
for cross-posting to a different hierarchy
4) trying to post any sort of file attachment (even maybe a .sig)
5) your computer's time or date (or time-zone) could be (way) off.
6) your usenet client could be trying to login into the server
(not needed - turn that off)
I take it that they're just sitting in your outbox?
Make sure your port settings are port 119, no authentication / no
I've been using AIOE for 5 years. It's a solid server and my
10-year-old usenet client (Netscape communicator 4.78) has no problems
The post that you made (that I'm responding to) seemed to work ok... ?
Yes. Home Guy advised you "should post the error messages" and you respond
with no error message text.
You assert "it's posting too many posted lines" and no one has any idea what
What IS the message you receive? What newsreader are you using?
It reads very much like "too many lines posted" but I can't remember now.
I've had the same problem. AOIE just refuses to post messages and drops
some pretty cryptic error messages. As a former SW developer I know it's
frustrating when end users don't remember error messages verbatim or the
values in a screen hex dump (sarcasm alert!) but only the very well trained
ones do. (-:
I frequently point out when someone has been lazy and/or inconsiderate
by dragging the entire thread into their replies by full-quoting reams
of material - and then adding a trivial amount of new text at the end.
If the error really is "too many quoted lines" - then it's an error that
I didn't think about - because it's one that I never get...
You get that when you make a brief comment in response to a lengthy
message and incorporate the full original message in your reply. When
you do that, the majority of your message body consists of text that
has been posted once (or more) already by the previous poster(s), with
only a little new content at the end. That is poor Usenet etiquette
and thus violates Aioe's posting rules.
If you are going to make a brief comment to a lengthy message, trim
that message down to the relevant paragraph(s) in your reply. If you
don't, you will get the "too many lines" error message when you
attempt to post your reply.
But if they're not on Aioe, it's not going to be a problem for them.
It's Aioe that objects to it and will flag you if you do it. I'm on
Aioe and have been flagged for that several times. No big deal, I just
delete more of the quoted text and hit send again. When it meets
Aioe's criteria, it posts.
Kinda figured that, and the 25 posts a day makes me think of what I want to
get involved in, and what I don't. I am getting very busy now with some
projects, and I really am not spending a lot of time in NGs. On the
Internet, yes, just not in NG's.
I had a quick look at all my sent posts and I seem to make between 5 and
15 posts a day (that includes posts I make to other groups besides this
The odd day I see 20 posts.
If you think that's going to be a problem, it's rather trivial to open
up a browser window to your modem or router's administrative page and
tell the device to disconnect and reconnect your internet connection.
That will usually give you a different IP address than the one you just
had, and you can resume posting to AIOE (up to the 25-post limit) again.
AIOE does not count the number of posts based on your posting-identity -
but on your IP address.
While that is all true (and especially that if you're going to quote
ANYTHING from a previous post in your reply - that you should quote only
what you are specifically replying to); the AIOE server doesn't have any
awareness of the amount of previously-posted text that you're including
in your reply.
What AIOE is looking at is the number of lines in your post that begins
with the quoting-character - which universally is > greater-than
I believe that if the ratio of lines with vs without the > character is
above some threshold, then your post is rejected.
It may be "too many lines" or (I would think) "too many quoted lines".
And yes -> replying to a post that was originally made to more than 3
newsgroups will result in an error. In that case, you must decide which
group(s) to remove from the distribution to bring the number down to 3
before you hit the Send button.
A lot of it is super-techie gobbledegook. The important parts are:
<<Each IP address is authorized to post 25 messages per day and the posting
rights are suspended for 24 hours if more than three messages are rejected
in a day.>>
That means if you go over limit and keep hitting "send and receive" more
than three times (who doesn't when they see the message hasn't left the
outbox?) you get suspended for a day.
<<Each post must be sent to less than three groups (crosspost) and each one
can include at most three followup groups. >>
If you reply to a message that lists three groups or more (some of AHR's
post list 5 or more) you get an error message. Try three times and you get
a 24 hour time out.
<<Maximum allowed size is 32 KB per article and 2 KB per header. Only two
concurrent connections per IP address are allowed and 400 connections per
day are accepted from each IP address.>>
Check your messages too many times or log on from too many computers and you
guessed it: you're suspended for 24 hours.
It's probably important to note that they're not being mean or cheap. They
are trying to control the idiots that use Newservers like AIOE to spam
Usenet. I don't know if they still use "banlists" but AIOE has cut off
access to entire groups that "don't behave." I think we're trying hard to
get on that banlist.
Given that the entire newsgroup seems to have started burning like Rome
under Nero, maybe it's good to keep one foot in the real world in the
springtime and avoid the flames. Guys are butting heads to show off to the
females. I think that's Jennifer and Norminn. (-: Hey you two, find any
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