20amp Circuit How many computers

Jan 31, 2007 24 Replies

Can anybody tell me if 3 computers are too much for a 20 amp circuit? Actually it is 3 monitors a printer "not laser" and 3 thin clients if anybody knows what a thin client is. it is about the size of a book and is not a full tower so I assume it consumes alot less power then a full computer tower.



Not that tough to compute if you really are a computer geek.

500 W power supply at 120 volts AC = 5 Amps approximately if you want to use conservative figures.

So factor in the peripherals - which really don't draw much at all, and you're getting pretty damn close to 20A at full draw startup.

Has no disks, and is booted from the network?

Shouldn't be a problem.

True thin client workstations are far less power hungry than their larger PC cousins. Also, keep in mind that even though a desktop PC may have a 400-watt power supply, its maximum power draw is likely to be less than half that.

Here's the scoop according to eWeek:

"While a PC can consume as much as 220 watts of power, a thin client such as Sun's Sun Ray 2FS consumes less than 8 watts. Even a thin client with a processor and DDR (double data rate) RAM such as HP's HP Compaq t5720 consumes about 30 watts or less."

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If the accompanying monitors are LCD flat screens, add an additional

30 to 60-watts per workstation; if, however, they are of the CRT variety, you might bump that number up to 100 or 120-watts.

One other thing to note: if these thin clients are, in fact, older generation or "obsolete" PCs that have been "reborn" as thin clients,

150-watts per workstation may be a more reasonable estimate.

So with that in mind, total wattage could fall anywhere from as little as 150 to 200-watts (< 2.0 amps) at the low end, to perhaps as high as

800 or 900-watts (< 8.0 amps), with the monitor type accounting for much of this spread. Even at 900-watts, this load would represent less than half the circuit&#39;s rated capacity; a 20-amp circuit would seem more than sufficient.

Cheers, Paul

Well personally I would go by the wattage of the power supply, not what a magazine article tells me, but I don&#39;t manage thin clients in my data center.

I suspose you&#39;re probably more realistic here. If it were me I&#39;d break it out into at least 2 15 Amp circuits - not knowing anything at all about his situation other than what little was provided. At least then you could comfortably put something else on the circuit - like lights, a small fridge, network routers, fans for the room, a radio, creature comforts.

Electricians will thank you for the extra work but it is not necessary.

Hi, Typical computer power supply is ~400W rated. I can see any problem. CRT monitors consume quite a bit more than LCD panels.

According to the EPA, a typical desktop computer uses between 25 and

60-watts and a CRT monitor between 55 and 90-watts (they peg LCD monitors at 30-watts). At the upper end, that suggests the combined wattage of a computer and monitor would be in the order of 150-watts.

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According to an article published in this week&#39;s Economist, "a typical desktop and monitor together use perhaps 150 watts."

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Tufts University tells us "the average desktop computer uses about 120 Watts (the monitor uses 75 Watts, and the CPU uses 45 Watts.)"

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A 20-inch iMac "with both of Core Duo&#39;s cores cranked to 100 percent utilization," is reported to consume just 95-watts.

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So, if you wanted to be a bit more cautious, you might budget a combined total of 200-watts per workstation. Again, we&#39;re told these are thin clients and not high-end servers, so you wouldn&#39;t expect them to be decked out with multiple hard drives nor power guzzling multi-chip processors.

Cheers, Paul

Every bit of electrical equipment with a UL rating should have somewhere on it a plate that tell you what sort of power it draws.

Add them up.

Two desktop PCs. One Compaq Proliant 2500 server Two 21" CRTs One Laptop PC

5-10 60W bulbs

... is too much for a 15 amp circuit. I guess people didn&#39;t use equipment like that back when wiring four rooms per circuit was okay.

I almost picked up a 5-node RS6000 on Ebay but I&#39;d have had to rewire the house to power it!

-rev

There should be very little startup surge, since there&#39;s no disks.

And power consumption will be higher than THAT. These things (power supplies) aren&#39;t 100% efficient.

A large CRT monitor can easily use more power than the computer itself. A good reason for turning the monitor off when you&#39;re not using it.

I have 3 computers on the same circuit. 2 have LCD monitors and the other monitor is off most of the time.

This same circuit is used part of the time to power about 5-8A of holiday lights.

Hi Mark,

I&#39;m sure some of the larger CRTs could consume in excess of 100-watts but more typical office-type CRTs are likely to come in below this. For example, the University of Waterloo tells us their 17" SONY CRTs draw 75-watts when in use.

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The maximum power draw of my 17" NEC MultiSync LCD 1700V (the one I&#39;m using now to type this) is 40-watts and in standby mode it comes in at under 4-watts.

Unless we&#39;re looking at some unusual setup, budgeting 30 to 60-watts for a 17 to 19-inch LCD panel and 75 to 125-watts for the equivalent CRT doesn&#39;t strike me as unreasonable.

As a sidebar to this, with the low cost of LCD panels, I can&#39;t imagine why anyone would want to buy a CRT monitor, unless they had a pretty compelling reason to do so. I can purchase a name brand 22-inch LCD monitor for under $400.00 Canadian (less than $340 US) and a 17-inch LCD monitor for half that. The energy savings and, in particular, the resulting space savings make this a no-brainer.

The other thing we shouldn&#39;t forget is that OP has told us these are thin clients about the size of a large book, so it&#39;s safe to assume their power consumption is quite low. We know, in fact, the Compaq t5720 has a maximum power draw of just 30-watts and that Sun&#39;s Sun Ray thin client is under 8-watts, or about the same amount of power as would be consumed by a night light.

So if we were to allocate 60-watts for an LCD monitor and 40-watts for a thin client PC, our total combined wattage for these three work stations is 300-watts (~ 2.5 amps) and that&#39;s being rather generous. And if CRT monitors are used in lieu of LCD panels, total wattage might then jump to between 350 and 450-watts (< 4 amps).

Cheers, Paul

Check the power ratings of the devices and add up the amperage.

If you are talking about something like the Sun Ray devices (

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) then the power draw is probably quite low. The monitors and printer will be the major consumers.

Simplest way to find out without guesstimating is to use a Kill-S- Watt, and _measure_ the actual va, watts, amps, whatever drawn by the combination of devices connected downstream from it. Clue: watts are not the limiting factor, since power-factor can vary widely; count amps.

Sure bet: nowhere near 20a draw.

HTH, J

Go wireless and forget about the circuit completely. That is what wireless means isn&#39;t it?

Why won&#39;t these d*mn systems boot up?

The printer should be a major consumer only when printing.

I was wondering how long this thread would get before someone suggested measuring the actual usage.

Maybe if you put 3 or 4 big CRT monitors on each computer.

If everything was completely wireless, there&#39;d still need to be a power source. I heard something about "power-over-RF" recently.

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