On Wednesday, July 16, 2014 10:48:54 PM UTC-4, nestork wrote:
Your free to satisfy your curiosity, but I don't see anything
probative to be gained by seeing the coils. You know the compressor
is running continuously, the internal fan is running and air is
coming out. You can feel or measure the temperature of the air coming out.
I don't think it's physically possible for that condition to
exist, without something being wrong with the refrigeration system
and the coils not getting cold. The only possible way might be for
the defrost heater to be stuck on, but you have access to it's wiring
and could disable it. If anyone has seen a fridge with the conditions
you have, where the coils were actually getting cold, I'd like to hear
what it was.......
Based on the symptoms reported, I concur. Sure seems
a shame to scrap an otherwise good refrig because it
needs a couple ounces of refrigerant.
If the tire on your car was soft, would you remove
and discard the tire, rim, valve stem, etc?
On Thursday, July 17, 2014 9:46:24 AM UTC-4, Stormin Mormon wrote:
The problems are that if it does need refigerant, then:
A - there must be a leak somewhere that needs to be investigated/fixed
B - Unless you have the skills, tools, supplies to do A, the cost of A,
or just getting a service guy in the door isn't
worth it when it's an old fridge and the OP says a replacement one
costs $400 new.
Of course not. But the cost of getting a leaking tire fixed is what?
$20? You can also diagnose it, fix it yourself for a few bucks. You
can't do that with the refrigerant portion of a fridge.
Also factor in that a new refrigerator typically uses half the energy
that a 25 year old one does, which could save $75 - $100 a year, and
the choice becomes obvious.
On Thursday, July 17, 2014 10:35:46 AM UTC-4, Stormin Mormon wrote:
So, it doesn't have to be at least investigated? You just pump
in more refrigerant without determining what may be leaking, the
size of the leak? If you did that, put in some, charged $150 and
then 2 weeks later the fridge isn't working and the customer wants
their money back, then what?
IDK what you charge in NY, but like others here, it's typically
min $100 to get an appliance service guy out. And that's before
any charges for adding refrigerant, etc.
You're right, he hasn't said how old it is, I'm just guessing the age.
Even if it's just a few years old though, if a new one is just $400,
given the *mimimun* possible problem, the cost of a service call
to find out for sure what's wrong, etc, the economics here say to junk
it. The one thing that might change that would be if it's still under
warranty. Even then, if just the compressor is under warranty, not the
whole thing, it's probably still not worth it.
In my area appliance repair folks charge $100 just to walk in the front
door and tell you it is broken. The actual repair and parts are extra.
At that cost most people just buy a new appliance which now a days seem
to last no more than 5 years.
I do remember a couple years ago, I looked at a friend's
upright freezer. The last repair guy put a thermometer in
it and told em to "keep an eye on it". I found it low on
refrigerant, and juiced it up for them.
What a shame, appliances don't last very long.
Well, after a full two days of operating continuously, the plastic cup
of water in the freezer compartment still isn't frozen.
I'll start on taking the freezer floor and styrofoam evaporator cover
off this evening (hopefully). Then I'll wait for any remaining frost on
the evaporator to melt and plug the fridge back in. I'm expecting to
see a half frosted evaporator coil...
.. but life is full of surprises.
No longer on most.
From the $2000 Frigidaire manual
Your appliance is covered by a one year limited warranty. For one year
from your original date of
purchase, Electrolux will pay all costs for repairing or replacing any
parts of this appliance that prove
to be defective in materials or workmanship when such appliance is
installed, used and maintained
in accordance with the provided instructions.
Maybe if you spent more, say a $3000 Whirpool. Nope.
For one year from the date of purchase, when this major appliance is
operated and maintained according to instructions attached to or
furnished with the product, Whirlpool Corporation or Whirlpool Canada LP
(hereafter “Whirlpool”) will pay for Factory Specified Parts
and repair labor to correct defects in materials or workmanship that
existed when this major appliance was purchased. Service must be
provided by a Whirlpool designated service company. YOUR SOLE AND
EXCLUSIVE REMEDY UNDER THIS LIMITED WARRANTY
SHALL BE PRODUCT REPAIR AS PROVIDED HEREIN. This limited warranty is
valid only in the United States or Canada and applies
only when the major appliance is used in the country in which it was
purchased. Proof of original purchase date is required to obtain
service under this limited warranty.
But wait, you have them Krazy Koreans
LG is not so bad
1 Year Parts and Labor, 7 Years on the Sealed System, 10 Years on Linear
Well, this is what my evaporator looks like after about 48 hours of
continuous operation with no defrost cycles. I skipped over the defrost
cycles by manually advancing the defrost timer on the fridge.
The evaporator coil has a total of 40 loops; 20 in the front half and 20
in the rear half. There's frost formed on the first 7 coils, and the
rest are bare.
Me thinks it's time for a new fridge.
You're 99% sure of being correct. Only question, any sign of an oily leak, where the freon and oil mixture may have leaked out? Or, it could be just a very weak compressor, either way, scope out the weekend ads for bargains.
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