What do you call "very expensive"?
A 40 pound bag of salt will typically produce about 6,000 gallons of
softened water... a 40 pound bag of salt costs about $4.50.
Actually that same $4.50 worth of salt can save the average household
about $45 worth of cleaning products each month... not to mention the
time and effort of cleaning, and will save more than 6,000 gallons of
water each month (mostly hot water) because softened water is just
that much more efficient at cleaning. Softened water is kind to your
plumbing too, will save untold thousands in plumbing bills over the
life of the water softener (about 20 years).
If one lives in a hard water locale *not* having a water softener is
there is a lot of water needed to backwash the resin (if paying for the water)
the electricity. then there are the iron prefilters to replace. on my mothers
the water is very hard and she used a service, rented the equipment, somebody
the bags down into the basement and filled the softener. $45 every 3 months.
had extensive gardens and I can see that it could have doubled the price if she
have well water for the gardens. this doesnt even include the price she paid for
city water which I am not even sure how much that costs cause the renters pay for
We dont have a softener. During 3 months we use about 12-15 ccf in winter,
or more ccf in summer. 30.0 ccf = $164.89. Remember that sewage fees are based
USAGE it doesnt matter if that water for the garden doesnt go down the drain.
water costs nothing but the electricity to pump it and the pump replaced every 25
years or so. Ingrid
I think it depends on how hard it is and what else is in it. Out city
water tastes bad to me, it is very hard. It's no doubt better on a
health basis, except when it is so offensive that I don't drink it.
I use an RO filter for drinking water.
I've never been a fan of soft water for bathing or hand washing. I
never actually feel like all the soap has been rinsed off of me...
almost a slightly slimy or oily residue is left on my skin. Its one of
the things I dread when I go to Florida or Vegas and stay at a hotel.
My girlfriend's condo complex is all softened water, and I hate
showering there. Of course, Germantown has some terrible ground water
with a high iron/sulfer content, so the softener might not be completely
yeah... the Milwaukee area has some hellatious calcium/magnesium in the water...
course that is why NE there are all those limestone quarries!!!!
the amount of softening that must be done to our water results in not very tasty
water, I agree. I used to like the taste of hard water until the iron bacteria
into the well.
If you had long hair you would fall in love with it. We had a softener all my
but when I left home and lived elsewhere with hard water I couldnt believe how
"gummy" my hair felt all the time. When I came back home my hair went back to
feeling clean and soft. Now lake water comes out of the tap and it is pretty
What bothers me most about the Milwaukee area well water is the radon levels.
nobody is talking about the fact that heating the water does not blow off the
and long hot showers breathing that in cant be very good for anyone.
I'm happy with the city water drawn from the lake. It really is some
of the best-tasting water right out of the tap. Of course, as you said,
a lot of calcium.
I HAVE heard similar experiences from others with long hair. I'll have
to take your (and their) word on it! I stand by my assertion that my
skin feels unrinsed after washing with soft water. :)
Don't get me started on radon... :) When I was doing research before
buying my home, all the source articles (even directly from the EPA)
basically say "If you're a smoker, high concentrations of radon might
slightly increase your risk for lung cancer."
To me, the only reason to worry about radon (unless we're talking
uranium mine-type concentrations!) is because the person who wants to
buy your house might be worried about it.
I seriously doubt your outdoor hose bibs are connected to your
softened water, easy enough to check. But since water softeners
operate by on-demand it would use too much salt and place too much
stress on the unit were it used for for heavy watering as is usually
the case with outdoor water use. It's possible your hose bib is
connected to softened water but would be exceedingly rare. My house
has three hose bibs, none are connected to my softened water but the
one by the garage is tempered water, it is part hot water so salt can
be washed off vehicles during winter without it freezing.
There's no disadvantage but neither is there any advantage.
My house was built without a water softener. When Culligan put in a
water softener a couple of years later, it was installed right after,
and next to the expansion tank in the main line from the well, so all
water was softened. When I replaced the water softener years later with
a Kenmore digital unit, I tapped off the main water line before the
softener and ran a direct line to the outdoor spigots and to a filtered
small drinking faucet on the kitchen sink.
Obviously the Culligan guy didn't know what he was doing, more likely
lazy and didn't care about you. It's just plain silly to have outside
hose bibs connected to a softened water system.... if you had an
automatic irrigation system for your lawn it would be idiotic to have
it connected to softened water... not to say there aren't those with
more dollars than brain cells.
The only reason for having softened water at a hose bib is if one is
car collecting fanatic and can't tolerate the thought of spotting on
their Maserati ... although today's modern car wash compounds are
designed to obviate spotting the same as those dishwashing additives.
Similar question here. How about hydrogen sulfide gas from well water. Its
filtered out before entering home plumbing. Hose bibs are connected to the
same home plumbing.
Normally, I use the 2 standalone faucets outside for irrigation. These have
no filtration whatsoever. Any special notes on soaker hoses for this
"Dioclese" <NONE> wrote
Any special notes on soaker hoses for this
Not sure about where you live, but here, the irrigation water is not
filtered to a high degree. Fill a glass gallon jug and see if it has
sediment or organic materials. This will clog up a soaker from the inside.
Central TX, rural hill country west of IH35.
Do have calcium etc from limestone in well water. Not really concerned
about that since the soil is similar due to runoff from rain. I have a
sediment filter, hydrogen gas filtration bottle (aerator), and a whole-house
carbon filter running inline to the house.
I saw one of those "what ifs" on an educational channel on TV. Evidently,
the earth ODed on hydrogen sulfide gas sometime in the past. Killed pretty
much everything land and sea. There's potential for that to happen again.
The gas is bad ju-ju in concentrations. Thus, the soaker hose question
about water with hydrogen sulfide gas. Picture in my mind about a soaker
hose is like a holding tank, intermittently burping pure hydrogen sulfide
gas in concentration.
hydrogen sulfide is created by bacteria. in water it goes into solution as
sulfuric acid. of course, in a well both H2S and CO2 are under pressure and when
they are pumped out they de-gas. In the burbs outside Milwaukee well water can
contaminated by the bacteria if there isnt a valve on the outside hoses to
back flushing of soil (with bacteria) into the tank and then into the well. or,
the well casing starts to break down letting soil into the well. IIRC the
feed off the iron in the water releasing the H2S. Anyway. the wells often need
be cleaned by dumping bleach down in there and then flushed to get rid of the
bacteria. there is probably more H2S in the bottom of a typical pond than in
water. soaker hoses dont stand up long to well water unless there are very good
filters on them. personal experience. Ingrid
On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 07:27:57 -0600, "Dioclese" <NONE> wrote:
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