my most important customer ever

Walmart.

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Stormin Mormon
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Nathan wrote

my point exactly. haliburton didnt get the work because of cheney. they got the work because nobody else could do it. nobody. the left wing media leaves that critical piece of information out trying to get mileage out of cheneys haliburton connection.

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An L.A. Times op-ed said, "Halliburton Received No-Bid Contracts During Clinton Administration For Work In Bosnia And Kosovo." An October 2003 article in the (Raleigh, NC) News & Observer quoted Bill Clinton's Undersecretary Of Commerce William Reinsch as saying "'Halliburton has a distinguished track record,' he said. 'They do business in some 120 countries. This is a group of people who know what they're doing in a difficult business. It's a particularly difficult business when people are shooting at you.'"

It is certainly true that during a two year period Halliburton?s revenue from Defense Department contracts doubled. However, that increase in revenue occurred from 1998 to 2000 - during the Clinton administration.

When Factcheck.org checked the facts about allegations by Democrats that there was a scandal because of the "no-bid" contracts awarded to Halliburton they stated, "It is false to imply that Bush personally awarded a contract to Halliburton. The ?no-bid contract? in question is actually an extension of an earlier contract to support U.S. troops overseas that Halliburton won under open bidding."

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Gideon

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Steve Scott

hmmmm......what say you now, gofish?

Reply to
Nathan In Montana

the same thing I've said before Nathan.

you ascribe to a dictatorship, I prefer a democracy.

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gofish

I'm seriously asking here, Fish. In what way has your life or the life of anyone you personally know been restricted by Bush?

I know you to some extent and I'm will>you ascribe to a dictatorship, I prefer a democracy.

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Steve Scott

I think you distracted Tekkie with all this talk of powerstroke, heavy pulling and cummins.

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modervador

bah. please address your previous statements now that the facts have been posted. when you dodge responding to evidence that refutes your statements, it demonstrates a lack of substance on your part.

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Nathan In Montana

Well, the US has never been a democracy. It was founded as a constitutional republic.

And, second, yes GWB has removed freedoms from the US people. Patriot Act (which he pushed through congress and then signed). And the assorted executive orders.

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Stormin Mormon

please STOP with the sweeping generic statements. please tell me _specifically_ what freedoms were taken away. key word = specifically. please dont waste our time by trying to bullshit me with anything you cannot list specifically.

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Nathan In Montana

One of these days he is going to have the freedom of not having his head bashed with a rock taken away from him.

The democraps keep spouting this loss of freedom BS, but they can never say anything specific.

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Oscar_Lives

FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION: Government may monitor religious and political institutions without suspecting criminal activity to assist terror investigations.

FREEDOM OF INFORMATION: Government has closed once- public immigration hearings, has secretly detained hundreds of people without charges, and has encouraged bureaucrats to resist public records questions.

FREEDOM OF SPEECH: Government may prosecute librarians or keepers of any other records if they tell anyone that the government subpoenaed information related to a terror investigation.

RIGHT TO LEGAL REPRESENTATION: Government may monitor federal prison jailhouse conversations between attorneys and clients, and deny lawyers to Americans accused of crimes.

FREEDOM FROM UNREASONABLE SEARCHES: Government may search and seize Americans' papers and effects without probable cause to assist terror investigation.

RIGHT TO A SPEEDY AND PUBLIC TRIAL: Government may jail Americans indefinitely without a trial.

RIGHT TO LIBERTY: Americans may be jailed without being charged or being able to confront witnesses against them.

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Power's Mechanical

Did you know that the Patroit Act and the Department of Homeland Security was Clintons idea? Yup sure was. The "strong on defence" Republicons shut him down on those ideas and if you think about it and if the P.A. and the DHS, really do help find terrorists then it stands to follow that 9-11, the Cole, and other attacks were the fault of the Republicons because they are weak on security.

Until one of there own is in the Whitehouse...

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Power's Mechanical

OPINION: Freedoms Lost Under G.W. Bush by Chuck Baldwin

Anyone who dares to oppose or even question Bush must be regarded as enemies of America or even as enemies of God.

February 1, 2005--History instructs us in the incremental process that elitists use to implement their totalitarian agenda. The first step is to use an incessant, highly orchestrated propaganda. At the national level, there is hardly any investigative journalism going on. Instead, the national press corps has become little more than lazy lackeys for the White House.

The second step is to lay the foundation for totalitarianism by passing legislation that may later be used against the citizenry. And that is exactly what the Bush administration has very successfully accomplished.

Patriot Act and Department of Homeland Security was the brainchild of one William Jefferson Clinton. Of course, with the Republican, G.W. Bush, serving as President, that same Republican Congress was all too eager to pass these bills into law.

Whether or not individual Americans have been personally subjected to tyranny as a result of lost freedoms doesn't change the fact that they have already lost these freedoms.

The third step is to demonize and marginalize anyone the government's plans. Such opponents are characterized as "unpatriotic," Once again, the Bush minions have very skillfully done just that. Anyone who dares to oppose or even question Bush must be regarded as enemies of America.

Of course, the last step is to begin using the power and force of government to physically silence. And, as Germany's National Socialists proved, by the time this happens, there is no one around who is capable of coming to the assistance of such people.

this President has systematically put in place laws, policies, and bureaucracies that strip the American citizenry of the constitutional protections of their liberties.

Following are examples of freedoms which President Bush already expunged (as reported by the Associated Press):

FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION: Government may monitor religious and political institutions without suspecting criminal activity to assist terror investigations.

FREEDOM OF INFORMATION: Government has closed once-public immigration hearings, has secretly detained hundreds of people without charges, and has encouraged bureaucrats to resist public records questions.

FREEDOM OF SPEECH: Government may prosecute librarians or keepers of any other records if they tell anyone that the government subpoenaed information related to a terror investigation.

RIGHT TO LEGAL REPRESENTATION: Government may monitor federal prison jailhouse conversations between attorneys and clients, and deny lawyers to Americans accused of crimes.

FREEDOM FROM UNREASONABLE SEARCHES: Government may search and seize Americans' papers and effects without probable cause to assist terror investigation.

RIGHT TO A SPEEDY AND PUBLIC TRIAL: Government may jail Americans indefinitely without a trial.

RIGHT TO LIBERTY: Americans may be jailed without being charged or being able to confront witnesses against them.

These rights have already been lost! Whether individual Americans have been personally subjected to the resultant tyranny or not doesn't change the fact that they have already lost these freedoms!

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Stormin Mormon

i call bullshit to everything you said that lacked a source. well, thats your entire response. please quote the sections upon which your statements are based.

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Nathan In Montana

yet you overlook that bin laden was in custody and offered on a silver platter to klinton, and he declined the offer.

UNLIKE YOU, ill give you the resources to validate my statements:

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(from one of your own liberal groups!) "PRESIDENT Bill Clinton turned down at least three offers involving foreign governments to help to seize Osama Bin Laden after he was identified as a terrorist who was threatening America, according to sources in Washington and the Middle East.

Clinton himself, according to one Washington source, has described the refusal to accept the first of the offers as "the biggest mistake" of his presidency."

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"While the ex-president made no mention of any plan to behead bin Laden, he did admit to turning down a Sudanese offer to have him shipped to the U.S."

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and there are countless more links that i can gladly provide if you dont want to accept these. now tell me again who is to blame.

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Nathan In Montana

sorry chris, you posted one authors opinion of the patriot act. i asked you for specifics. please quote the sections of the patriot act that have taken away my freedoms.

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Nathan In Montana

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Steve Scott

This has been the case since long before GWB.

Sounds like you're kitchen sinking here, but didn't your buddy Slick Willy encourage his administration to not co-operate with FIFO requests as well as encourage them to not obey legal subpoenas?

Here's a clue, Mikey, that can happen with any FBI investigation.

Americans captured on the field of battle on the wrong side, yes, you're right.

Been in effect for years and it's been used for years against drug dealers many, many times long before GWB. For the record, I didn't agree with it when it was instituted and still don't. At least prove it was purchased with illegal money first.

Again, when they've been captured in a another country fighting for the enemy. Taliban John.

Same as above.

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Steve Scott

posted for all of us...

I would say beat it but I'll undergo a flogging.

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Tekkie®

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