On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:01:59 +0000 (UTC), EvilGoddessFragileWarrior
I have not one idea what you are talking about. The fact is, I do
know a lot. I have been in the field of horticulture for decades. I
am retired now, but have given lectures on the dangers, and advantages
of herbs. All I did was simply say don't use herbs because someone
said an artemesia pillow helps with sleep. That is idiotic, at best.
Also realize how you perceive me is a reflection you project on me.
Worry about your own words and don't worry about mine. Filter me out
if I'm such a douchebag in your eyes.
Is there a lick of evidence to support this claim? And no, I am not
talking about major scientific study, just some sort of proof. My
whold point was not to point out the artemesia, but to point out the
potential dangers of using herbs without fully researching the
potential side effects. That's all. Not rocket science and certainly
not a lecture. You weren't the one I aimed my comments to, but if it
appeared that way or if I'm wrong, I apologize.
Well, it's certainly documented as I read about it for a homework
assignment and made the dream pillow (not well, I might add - sewing is
not a talent I possess.) I gave a couple pillows as presents, minus the
mugwort and used the one with mugwort myself. It certainly intensified
my dreams, which is probably why I rarely use it anymore - lol.
Off to the gardens,
I think we are all on the same page here. No offense was intended. I was
just trying to be supportive of Eve in cutting the pharmaceutical
Sometimes we do get blind-sided by plants, take lavender for example.
Turns out that compounds in lavender oil mimic estrogen and, in a few
cases, little boys have started growing breasts.
http://www.nih.gov/news/pr/jan2007/niehs-31.htm Gives me pause because I
have a nearly half a bottle left of lavender massage oil that I use on
my wife. (Could that be why those construction workers were looking at
me the other day? Naaa)
Speaking of dats. My brother had a drop of dew from a brugmansia flower
fall in his eye. His wife had to take him to the hospital when he
started feeling dizzy and his vision blurred. They gave him a shot of
something and, he was soon back up on his feet. He was a bit shaken by
the experience but, otherwise fine.
Marijuana has been illegal since 1933, when Elliot Ness & Co. suddenly
needed a "raison d'etre" due to the legalization of booze. No doubt
about it though, marijuana can definitely be hazardous to your freedom.
Smoking anything (combustion products), can't be good for you.
And I see that that popular populist, Evo Morales, is about to legalize,
to some degree, coca in Bolivia.
That said, a person would be a fool to recreationally use amphetamines.
Everybody but "tweekers" know their mind-eating and, physically
My favorite irritation is treating the dandelion as a weed when it is
really a great diuretic that provides potassium, which most diuretics
leach from your body.
Since we are in the same choir, I wouldn't start preaching at you.
Which leads me to,
Cloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)
This interests me. I hadn't heard about this finding. I do take
phytoestrogens and all my menapausal symptoms stopped within a week or
Yes, as a collector and grower of several varieties of Brugmansia, it
is indeed very toxic both internally and systemically through skin,
eye ducts, nose, mouth...etc. Not everyone who tries a Datura seed
high, or a Brugmansia trip from the seeds knows it can destroy your
mind in hours.
I don't know one person on the planet who died from smoking pot, but
we have numbers in the hundreds of thousands who die directly from
alcohol. That doesn't count the tens of thousands dead in car
accidents. I'm only talking about people with liver disease and its
related accompanying illness'. Pot should be legalized.
Probably out of desperation due to the drug cartels and the violence
surrounding the drug trafficing trade. I have to think that one
through. I had a cocaine habit in my twenties. I also had a choice
to do it or not. I chose to do it. I'm paying now with health
problems. I sure am glad I didn't know anything about smoking crack
or methamphetamine when I was using drugs. Free base and crank came
way after I already stopped.
Especially knowing what we know now about the drug.
You'd love my garden. I let them grow, bloom, and seed. They are a
beautiful flower which is hard to kill and the remarkable thing is, if
left alone will find a balance and not overtake the cultivated garden.
Then again, my garden is specifically designed for wildlife and boy
does it have it! Last night we counted 17 toads, all croaking through
the night, then it stormed and they are asleep now. That's 17 in two
small ponds. It sounded like the everglades back there LOL.
Probablyus mostus. Gimme me my Ben and Jerry's tribute ice cream
"Americone Dream" which is dedicated to our favorite source for the
news; "The Colbert Report."
True, but long use is no guarantee of safety or efficacy, as other
"old remedies" prove. Syphilis was treated with mercury. Both syphilis
and mercury result in brain-damage and death so it was a long time
before doctors realised that the treatment was also killing the
Popular use may indicate effectiveness at relieving an acute health
problem; but it's no guarantee it won't cause another..The connection
between a popular herbal treatment for a common complaint, and
longterm consequences such as cancer, organ failure or foetal damage,
were not always recognised, in days when human physiology was barely
understood. If you read old references to herbal medicine, it's
noticeable how often the immediate effects were "purging". People often
(mis) judged the efficacy of medication by results which today, are
seen as a warning of toxicity.
For sure, be careful, check
True, but back then average life expectancy was below 50, and knowing
what we do now about many plant properties, it's likely that the
unsuspected longterm toxic side effects of herbal remedies killed and
damaged some people, just as has happened with some modern
medicines.Comfrey, for instance, was commonly used to help mend bone
fractures (hence the folk name knitbone). Only fairly recently, was it
found to contain carcinogenic alkaloids toxic to the liver (if taken
I'm not against herbal remedies used with informed care, but it
worries me when people think "natural " and "old" remedy means
"harmless/safe". They should remember, plants are the source of some of
the deadliest toxins, and that includes some popular garden, wild, and
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