I have a whole tray of Mugwort to plant -- where should I put it? I know it grows tall and that's not a problem, but I sometimes let my horses near my gardens -- is it a problem that they might eat it?
Part shade? All sun? East, West, South or North? Any recommendations? There's nowhere I can plant it that I don't really care if it takes over but what will be the best place for it?
My soil is mostly Indiana clay. Zone 5.
On Apr 23, 3:10 pm, EvilGoddessFragileWarrior my gardens -- is it a problem that they might eat it?
Mugwort aka Artemisia vulgaris prefers Full Sun. It's not fussy about soil, prefers poor to average, but does need good drainage. So find the least 'wet' clay area. Maybe provide a raised area for better drainage. Moderate water to fairly dry. The only caution I find is "prolonged use of large doses may damage nervous system" I can't see horses liking it, as it is very bitter, but sometimes they do weird things.......... And, yes, the perennial ones do spread rapidly. Emilie
mleblanca wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@b40g2000prd.googlegroups.com:
Thanks, Emilie.
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 22:10:17 +0000 (UTC), EvilGoddessFragileWarrior my gardens -- is it a problem that they might eat it?
Jangchub wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:
And yet it's not listed in HORSE OWNER'S FIELD GUIDE TO TOXIC PLANTS and they seem to have EVERYTHING in there -- even things that are mildly toxic. Hmm.
Bitter tonic, stimulant, nervine tonic, emmenagogue, laxative, diaphoretic
Mugwort can be used wherever a digestive stimulant is called for. It will aid the digestion through the bitter stimulation of the juices whilst also providing a carminative oil. It has a mildly nervine action in aiding depression and easing tension, which appears to be due to the volatile oil, so it is essential that this is not lost in preparation. Mugwort may also be used as an emmenagogue in the aiding of normal menstrual flow.
Combinations : May be used widely where a bitter action is needed. Dosage:
Infusion: pour a cup of boiling water onto 1-2 teaspoonfuls of the dried herb and leave to infuse for 10-15 minutes in a covered container. This should be drunk three times a day. Mugwort is used as a flavoring in a number of aperitif drinks.
Tincture: take l-4ml of the tincture three times a day.
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In article , EvilGoddessFragileWarrior >> horses near my gardens -- is it a problem that they might eat it?
That's quite a handle you have there. Not sure where to grab on to it. Any way, you may find
- Bill Cloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)
William Rose wrote in news:rosefam- snipped-for-privacy@cor8-ppp5025.per.dsl.connect.net.au:
Thanks, Bill. My handle changes from day to day but I'll answer to FW. :)
It may not be toxic to horses, but I wouldn't put it where animals could eat it as graze. Horses may not bother with it because of its strong aroma, but a pinch of precaution...
I'm in TN and mine is in partial sun facing south with it's back to honeysuckle. It's come back every year but it hasn't spread.
Another use that others haven't mentioned is to use it as a dream enhancer - I've made dream pillows using it.
Kate
With all due respect, herbs can be extremely dangerous. I suggest anyone thinking of using herbs for any reason, ingestion, smelling, burning, eating, drinking the tea of, etc. needs to vigilantly research all the implications invloved. Sometimes herbs oils can be volitile and even effect your health systemically through skin. Just be careful.
With all due respect, some people are very sensitive. The least little artificial compound or odd protein can have catastrophic results for some people but many plants have been used as medicines long before modern pharmaceutical made their appearance. For sure, be careful, check out what you are ingesting and start small, but don't be paranoid. Long before Merck, and Pfizer, mother nature provided our pharmaceutical needs. It doesn't have to come in a bottle to be good for you.
- Bill Cloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)
So- what do you classify as 'herb' ?
A herb is any plant which has a useful purpose outside of being ornamental. A plant which either produces essential oils, has medicinal properties, a plant to be used to make teas, infusions, poltice or to cure or help symptoms of ill health.
A zinnia, for example, is not a herb. It is an ornamental annual. That I know of, it has no other useful purpose other than to butterflies and bees.
One of the best reference books is "A Modern Herbal." It used to be in two volumes and is now in one volume full of fascinating information.
How is what you said any different than what I said? I said for people to check it out before just using herbs, thinking they are perfectly safe because they grow in the garden. Most of our drugs today are still made of plant extracts, including those of Merck and Pfizer (whose stock I dumped a long time ago).
I wasn't inciting anyone to be paranoid, just that if someone says it on the Internet, doesn't make it so and that includes what I say as well.
I know someone who has a son and he heard he could trip on datura and he ate some seeds, overdosed and is no catatonic. Oh, it's only a herb. Pot is a herb, but it's illegal. Cocaine is a herb, also illegal. You get my point and if not, that's okay too.
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True, but long use is no guarantee of safety or efficacy, as other "old remedies" prove. Syphilis was treated with mercury. Both syphilis and mercury result in brain-damage and death so it was a long time before doctors realised that the treatment was also killing the patients.
Popular use may indicate effectiveness at relieving an acute health problem; but it's no guarantee it won't cause another..The connection between a popular herbal treatment for a common complaint, and longterm consequences such as cancer, organ failure or foetal damage, were not always recognised, in days when human physiology was barely understood. If you read old references to herbal medicine, it's noticeable how often the immediate effects were "purging". People often (mis) judged the efficacy of medication by results which today, are seen as a warning of toxicity.
For sure, be careful, check
True, but back then average life expectancy was below 50, and knowing what we do now about many plant properties, it's likely that the unsuspected longterm toxic side effects of herbal remedies killed and damaged some people, just as has happened with some modern medicines.Comfrey, for instance, was commonly used to help mend bone fractures (hence the folk name knitbone). Only fairly recently, was it found to contain carcinogenic alkaloids toxic to the liver (if taken internally).
I'm not against herbal remedies used with informed care, but it worries me when people think "natural " and "old" remedy means "harmless/safe". They should remember, plants are the source of some of the deadliest toxins, and that includes some popular garden, wild, and medicinal plants.
Janet.
Jangchub wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:
Kids (and dumb adults) getting hurt while trying to find a cheap high is not new and it will keep happening as long as there are kids (and dumb adults). I'll bet you anything the kid knew darned well there were dangers and ignored them. Shit happens.
And as for all the caution warnings about herbs, well, anything can be dangerous and/or deadly under the wrong circumstances. Water is both the giver of life and deadly, too, for example. Should there be warnings on your sink taps that say, "Danger: don't drink gallons and gallons of this substance every day"? I think repeatedly warning adults about the danger of over-doing anything is a little silly but I appreciate your good intentions, nonetheless.
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:00:07 +0000 (UTC), EvilGoddessFragileWarrior substance every day"? I think repeatedly warning adults about the danger
You assume everyone in this newsgroup is an adult, dumb or not. There are people who use many pesticides incorrectly and the label has specific instructions. People do not read them. People get sick, cancers, skin problems, etc. I'm glad you approve of my good intentions, sheesh. Ma, is that you?
Jangchub wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:
Nice.
I really wanted to say something stronger but decided a nicer approach might work. Apparently I was wrong. Your constant lecturing is annoying in the extreme. You are not the 'net police and it is not your responsibility to constantly tell everyone how much smarter you are than anyone else.
Give it a rest occasionally.
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