Re: What's The Latest On Roundup Herbicide?

Unfortunately by the terms of work for hire an author loses all rights. Work for hire should never be done. Author should always retain copyright. In this case the idea wasn't strictly mine & I'd had such great dealings with the publisher on two other projects (and did retain copyright on those books since they were my ideas from the start). The publishers became dear friends, & when one of them got extremely ill, I could hardly add insult to injury demanding rights I'd signed away. I mentioned the orphaned book to an editor at Sasquatch Books not to re-sell it, just talking about projects that went astray, & she immediately asked to see the manuscript -- but it just wasn't possible to do that legally & with decency. I may someday ressurect the project under a different title and write a whole new text, as the original text was keyed to available seeds, and many of the available varieties have changed since. But for so long as the publisher is issuing even a book a year, I feel it would be wrong to step on any toes.

Nice pot jungle in those photos. I see lots of room to stack & expand. I notice no windowboxes for instance. If attaching them is banned by the condo they could still be stacked/freestanding to look like window boxes. I see you go for floweriness -- I'd add a few things woody that might be only leaves most of the year, then flowers packed in under, partly so that there's something left over in winter. You could also train shade-vines through the living room or over the bedboard. Could have a small worm-compost in the kitchen. Hey, maybe i COULD readjust if I had to.....

-paghat the ratgirl

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paghat
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I guess you're referring to me with your snide label, so I'll respond: No, I'm not lying, purposefully or otherwise. If you have any evidence to refute the claim that the EPA never banned CCA treated lumber, please feel free to post it.

'convoluted semantic games avoiding actualities'.... interesting.

"In early 2002, the CCA manufacturers, or registrants as we call them, approached EPA about their individual decisions to voluntarily phase-out virtually all CCA residential uses, including CCA intended for use in treating wood destined for decks, picnic tables, landscaping timbers, gazebos, residential fencing, patios, walkways and play structures."

I guess 'individual decisions to voluntarily phase out virtually all CCA residential uses'='convoluted semantic games avoiding actualities' in Paghat's book. I'm glad she was never my editor!

The EPA never approached CCA lumber manufacturers *to* stop selling their product paghat. It never happened.

Dave

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David J Bockman

I do not do the killing of the cicada killers. My husband does it. We still have them, but not the many hundreds of them we used to have. There was a lethal infestation on our property. I still have respect for them. I merely didn't want to be stuck in the house for most of May, half of June...when they do their thing.

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animaux

No, I pretty much meant quite literally, little man, as in tiny, short, needle dick, short, baby hands, maybe even high heeled cowboy booted, too.

Wiggle out of what? And the term okay is not spelled, "OK," for future reference. Yeah, why not. I pulled it out.

Huh? I don't know how aware you are, nor do I know you from this or any other newsgroup, but Tom and I were constant bickering fighters on this newsgroup for years. Then I think we realized we are on the same side and spoke at length and he gave me very good information which now has my garden much healthier and I notice a certain deficit of most noxious weeds as a result of very healthy, overflowing with biota; soil.

I would never pretend to be Snow White. I wouldn't know how. I assure you that though I'm 47 years old I'd never to date seen the Disney torture film, Snow White. I mean, I am white. But I really don't like snow.

You're annoying at best, but if this is YOUR sacred cow, so be it. When will you be spraying. Maybe you can share you RoundUp forays with the rest of us. Tell us all about how you use it in the garden.

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animaux

Prove it.

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animaux

No, that's not accurate animaux. The case was settled out of court. There was no mandate from the court. There was no 'immediate order'.

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David J Bockman

No Billoboy I never challenged your credentials. What I challenged was your ability to review Monsanto and its policies given your close proximity to it's funding. As religious as your fervor is to defend Monsanto it's obvious to some here you have some sort of interest in defending a first class bunch of chemical pukes, charlatans and liars. Personally I'm glad educations of your level are functioning in the capacity you are. Fact remains you don't know shit about gardening, soil, soil biology, and the effects of herbicides. Science and real peer reviewed research is horribly lacking as many mainstream herbicides go. What those of us who are stewards of gardens clearly see daily are the ill effects of the products you defend. Read some research on the effects of roundupon soil biology. Last I checked the foods we eat (those of us who eat grocery store nutrient lacking crap) is grown in those damaged soils. Science defended DDT and good science will reveal glyphosphate for what it is.

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Tom Jaszewski

Which you asserted, but never demonstrated. Yet another lie.

Nonetheless, since you are so convinced that oppenness and disclosure are important, why not display the same?

Where do you work?

What are your scientific credentials?

As you said, "the jig is up."

Actually, I never once defended Monsanto. My claim is, and always has been that Roundup is not dangerous to humans when used as directed. You have not shown otherwise, while I have provided multiple studies that show that it is safe at these dosages, and requires very high dosages for damage.

You cannot refute that, so you stoop to primitive personal attack, and lies at that.

I know about the human pathology. And I don't dismiss sicence simply because it conflicts with my religion -- and my personal cash flow.

Tell me, Tom, how much money do you make pushing your anti-science agenda?

Oh, really? Do you have any documentation of the human patients you've treated?

It already has. It has revealed it to be safe for humans when used as directed.

And all the personal villification and all the diversion in the world doesn't change that.

And all your ducking about your conflict of interest makes you no different than what you claim of Monsanto.

Hypocrite.

billo

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Bill Oliver

Interesting, Billoboy. Anyone can review the record and find the link. Too bad you have to hide behind smoke and mirrors. What about the former leadership of your lab being employed by Monsanto? What about Monsanto funding to the computer department where you recieved your MS.

The jig is up...now be gone...plonk

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Tom Jaszewski

I have this funny feeling this is too much information for some to fully process. I don't know how many ways there are to try and inform people that it is not ONLY the use of glyphosate pesticides, but the mentality of those who over use it, never read the labels and don't follow directions of use at all.

Very cleverly, Monsanto has marketed this crap with its own nozzle and tube coming from the bottle. I wonder how many people just start to spray around and I wonder how many perfectly healthy plants are now dead from the drift. I wonder how many non-label-readers have used it on windy days.

That said, we were watching our DVD of "Bowling for Columbine," which was delivered two days ago from our amazon shopping cart. Michael Moore put it so much more eloquently than I could put it, but in essence he was saying of our culture of fear and consumerism, what we are saying about the mentality of people how use glyphosate improperly.

It's not the glyphosate, necessarily (though I contend it is a huge part) but it's the very closed off way of thinking and lack on knowledge, compiled with the great inability of many to think outside the box to see the much bigger picture. I'm not sure I can articulate it here, or anywhere. All I can say is that, in this life, I am glad I get it. There are many more people who don't get it, who will most likely never get it. In order for me to live a better life, I give it a good shot and have to let go of it. Nothing is forever.

Victoria

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animaux

How apropos to quote a person who falsifies data as your soulmate.

And finally we have it. It is wrong to admit that Roundup is safe when used as directed because, pure and simple, it is a thought crime to the ecofundamentalists. Screw science. Screw the facts. The important thing is to silence the heretic.

Here's a clue, Victoria. If your cult requires you to lie and demonize those who tell the truth, you might want to think twice about it.

billo

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Bill Oliver

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Bill Oliver

I know. But that's the only way to deal with cultists because when you get to the point that they can't wiggle out of the fact that their claims are false, they pretend it wasn't the question at all. The only way to avoid it is to keep repeating the point -- then they whine you are boring, but they can't pretend the issue isn't what it is.

OK, Victoria, you want to move on beyond my claim that Roundup is safe to humans when used as directed? You want to ignore the fact that you claimed this was *not* true, that scientific data had been present showing it was not true, and that you engaged in outright despicable personal demonization when you were shown wrong?

Ok. Here is is. Simply admit that Roundup is safe for humans when used as directed.

Go ahead. Write it. Write that Roundup is safe for humans when used as directed. Here, I'll leave a blank space for you:

Or not. But if you don't, don't pretend that isn't the issue.

Indeed. Perhaps it will be one of those science-free ones, where you can get your toxicology data from channelling dolphins.

billo

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Bill Oliver

I am expected to believe an article which has Hannity, AnneOrexia Coulter and that other jerk I can't stand? Unlike Spinal Tap, Bowling for Columbine has won just about every prestigious award from here to Asia and back, not to mention an Oscar and every other fancy film industry, critic industry, documentary industry award which has ever been created.

Did you see the film? Didn't think so. Too busy examining the spooge of death.

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animaux

Your big mistake is that I'm not a cultist, nor a joiner, nor do I subscribe to anything which could remotely be considered a cult. You still don't see beyond your prick, which is probably so tiny that anger is the only way you can gather enough testosterone to grow the two hairs on your head.

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You ARE boring.

Awe, poor little man. Did I demonize you? Awe. I'm crying, waaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaa.

Nope. Reason? I do not believe it, never did, never will.

Are you almost ready to cum? Is that why you are now resorting to humiliating begging? Are you breathless, frustrated, will you now mount me and yank on me after you stab me with 50 or so pounces? What's the fascination, billo?

You live in fairyland. Have your way. I don't care if you believe what I believe. It's really okay. There, have you spooged yet?

What an ass. Maybe since I've saved all your vile posts with plenty of your own "ahem, behaviors" I will contact the University to see if they approve your methods of communication. We'll see how that goes. Till then, take care, have fun, try something else. Nothing you do here seems to be effective, oh great scientist.

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animaux

On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 22:54:06 GMT, animaux

But hey you gotta feel sorry for a neanderthal that quotes an article like that.

"For example, hunting is a challenging sport, requiring outdoor skills, wildlife knowledge, patience, and good marksmanship."

"militia members to present their case, he makes the group (which has no record of illegal violence or any other illegal activity)"

Great stuff from boy scouts with guns....

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Tom Jaszewski

Well, I guess that pretty much does it for any effort at rationa discussion with someone like you. Sorry to have offended your cult.

Of course not. It's against your religion. Science be damned.

I love this. You lose on science, you lose on demonization, and now you stoop to pathetic, infantile threats. Pathetic.

Oh, and when you run of to whine, be sure and include the accusations that they are owned by Monsanto. They'll love that one, too.

billo

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Bill Oliver

On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 20:25:00 -0400, E-mail Account

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animaux

I was talking about the website slide show of the most vile of all the hate mongers of radio and television. You know, the Fox News junkies. Oh yeah, a judge nearly fell off the stand when the lawsuit was being proved up in court. Al Franken said the term "fair and balanced," and Fox News said it was THEIR tag line! Bwahahahaha. Holy shit. What's this world coming to. Never mind, don't answer that.

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animaux

Why do I hear a monotone voice sounding challenge of the robots sort of thing? Oh the drone has no idea.

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animaux

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