I just placed my seed order from Pinetree (superseeds.com) Mostly
vegetables, but a few flowers and herbs too.
In my flower garden I'm going to grow poisonous plants this year for the
foundation; so maybe the rabbits will leave them alone :-) Foxgloves,
nicotiana, and opium poppies. Do I need to plant the poppies as soon as
the ground surface thaws a little? I seem to recall that they need a
few freeze/thaw cycles to germinate well, but that might be a different
kind of poppy. Can they be transplanted?
I have some wild flower meadows and I always seed the poppies after
the ground has cooled below 40 F (4 C). That way the germinate early
in the spring. The freeze thaw cycles help the seeds penetrate into
the soil, and by the time it is that cold there aren't many birds
around to gobble them up. They don't seed well for me, or maybe the
fenches eat them. I pretty much have to seed them as annuals every
year. I've never transplanted them, but suspect they would not do
well in pots, even big pots. They have long tap roots.
Not sure where you are in the world, but if you're in the US, please be advised
that opium poppy seeds are legal, but the plants are not. On the theory that
you, too, can prevent lawyers, it may be best to find a different species.
No poppy really seems to take to transplanting.
Really? I thought it was only illegal if you extract the sap or tried
to smoke them or something. :-/ Maybe I should plant a different kind
of poppy then; they are all bitter and somewhat poisonous.
When I first moved here there were annual red poppies all over the
place. They looked like Flander's poppies except they were double. Not
sure what happened to them; one year they just didn't come back.
Nah, the US federal code does a good job of covering it all, leaving an
exception for possessing seeds to cover the culinary uses. The plant
itself, and all parts except for the separated seeds, are considered
Schedule II drugs.
Poppies in general are very sensitive to 2,4-D and similar auxin
analogs. I'm going to guess it was spray drift or just volatilized
2,4-D that did in your poppies. The good news is that double Shirley
poppies (the double form of corn poppies, the ones mentioned "In Flanders
Fields" are pretty easily available on the seed market. e.g.
The last source is not far from me -- definitely some of the prettier
farms in the area.
Oh yes, the d*** deer that eat just about everything else I plant, don't
bug my P. orientale.
That could be. My neighbors use *tons* of 2,4-d (I can smell it when I
come home after work if the lawn service truck has been around. They've
even sprayed my garden thru the chain link fence a few times.) I use
tiny amounts of 2,4-d in the front yard only to spot-treat thistles and
dandelions, and I never use it in the back. I weed the back yard by hand.
Anyway, these poppies looked like shirleys but they were all red instead
of mixed colors; frilly with a small black center. The pods were about
the size of a pecan. And the rabbits left them alone.
we have them around in the limestone mulch
each year. no issues other than if we don't
thin them out or try to contain them we'd
hard to say without knowing the conditions
for the previous season and how they were
perhaps you mowed them down before the seeds
were ready? do you have any disturbed and
bare soil for the seeds to sprout in? they
don't seem to get going in the fields here
or in the perennial gardens, but they do find
edges and bare spots to use along with the
wide open limestone areas.
we let them go until they are done flowering
and starting to dry up. then when we harvest the
stems there are plenty of seeds blowing around.
when the cooler and wet weather returns in the
fall then they start sprouting and will stay
green through the winter and then bloom the
On Tue, 12 Feb 2013 03:01:05 +0000, Kay Lancaster wrote:
Unless you are planting a huge field of them without a license, or have
slashed the seed pods for opium in plain view of one and all, law
enforcement is not apt to take notice. Unless of course they are already
arresting you for something else and one of them is aware of what opium
poppies look like.
I usually grow hungarian blue breadseed poppies for the seed.
Technically illegal. Fortunately you don't need to plant a lot of them
to give enough seed for baking for a year. Even if you make Hungarian
goodies that are stuffed with poppy seeds.
I sow them in the fall. I missed last year because I was ill, so DH will
soon be reminded of what the stupid seed costs to buy by the pound.
I suppose I could try stratifying them in the fridge. All I would lose
is a couple pinches of seed if that fails.
The seeds are legal, the flowers are legal, the dried seed pods are legal.
The plants and the straw are illegal.
I'm raising a developmentally disabled child. What's your superpower?
Quoting from http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/21cfr/cfr/1308/1308_12.htm
previously referenced: (a) Schedule II shall consist of the drugs and
other substances, by whatever official name, common or usual name,
chemical name, or brand name designated, listed in this section. Each
drug or substance has been assigned the Controlled Substances Code
Number set forth opposite it. ... (3) Opium poppy and poppy straw
And if you need more: 21 USC 802:
(19) The term "opium poppy" means the plant of the species Papaver somniferum
L., except the seed thereof.
And for the rest of this argument, I refer you to:
I repeat, just because you haven't been prosecuted, doesn't mean you
won't be. Depends on the political climate, who you've po'd, whether
someone recognizes what you're growing, and the current state of finances
of the local law enforcement agencies (property seizure laws are commonly
brought into play on drug busts).
Would I chance it? Not on your tintype, and when I worked for a nursery,
that's what I told the owners who had purchased some plants for sale.
Oddly enough, the plants in question all disappeared by the next day
I worked -- I'm guessing they had a chance to talk to their lawyer.
On Tue, 12 Feb 2013 22:42:03 +0000, Kay Lancaster wrote:
All true enough.
Just because you can buy the cut flowers, and the dried seed pods (craft
stores) it does not mean that they are legal. Just just that that part
of the law is laxly enforced in some places.
I'm raising a developmentally disabled child. What's your superpower?
Oh all these hysterionics with regard to poppy seeds...how silly.
Seeds do not have opium in them. The opium sap has to be harvested
from the outside of the seed pod at a very specific time with a very
People can indeed legally buy the seeds, AND I've seen plants of
Papaver somniferum L. in nurseries. In the US, this is not a law
which is enforced since we do not have a heroine manufacturing
culture. Like everything else, we import our heroine from Afganistan.
You certainly do have a heroine manufacturing culture though I must admit
the numbers are small compared to the heros. Look at Wonderwoman, Lara
Croft, Pricess Leia, Buffy and Ellen DeGeneres. BTW Kim Kardashian is not
from Afganistan but home grown. There are few imports except perhaps
Hermione Granger and Lucy Lawless.
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