I have some clover in my lawn here in DC that is out of control. I
understand that some clover is beneficial, but this is definitely too much
of a good thing.
Is there something safe that I can put on it? I have 2 little ones, and I
am not about to put anything toxic on the lawn.
On a side question, my neighbor, who lot is slightly higher than mine, uses
chemicals freely, like Weed-B-Gone. Should I worry about runoff from his
Years ago, I read that clover is an indicator that your lawn is either
deficient in a particular nutrient or has too much of it. Since I like
clover, I promptly flushed the information from my knowledge archive. But,
go to www.hort.cornell.edu and poke around for more info. You can DEFINITELY
solve the clover problem by getting your soil tested and making SAFE
corrections. By the way, clover is not really a problem - it's actually a
good soil conditioner. You just don't like it. :-)
It is absolutely impossible for lawn chemicals to be tested and proven safe
for contact with people. So, I'd urge the neighbor to work with you to
minimize or eliminate their use entirely. They are the lazy person's way of
dealing with lawn problems.
"Michel Buonarroti" <don't e-mail me> wrote in message
Duh. Food and medicines can be tasted/tested on human volunteers. Drug
companies have occasionally solicited volunteers from prison populations for
testing particularly risky drugs, but I am not aware of ANY instance in
which a chemical company has asked for volunteers to ingest or be exposed to
agricultural chemicals. You and I are the test population, but nobody asked
for our permission.
On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:32:28 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
:) "Michel Buonarroti" <don't e-mail me> wrote in message
:) > >
:) > > It is absolutely impossible for lawn chemicals to be tested and proven
:) > safe
:) > > for contact with people.
:) > The same thing can be said about any food item. Duh.
:) Duh. Food and medicines can be tasted/tested on human volunteers. Drug
:) companies have occasionally solicited volunteers from prison populations for
:) testing particularly risky drugs, but I am not aware of ANY instance in
:) which a chemical company has asked for volunteers to ingest or be exposed to
:) agricultural chemicals. You and I are the test population, but nobody asked
:) for our permission.
It was done in '96..results were not allowed..earlier this year a
panel of gou't offficials gave the O.K. to use the results of such
Lar. (to e-mail, get rid of the BUGS!!
It is said that the early bird gets the worm,
but it is the second mouse that gets the cheese.
I am not aware of any food or food components that have been "proven" to
be safe for ingestion without adding the qualifier "in normal amounts."
Asparagus, tomatoes, salt, sugar and even water can provoke a fatal
reaction when ingested in large enough quantities. Some, such as
peanuts or wheat products, can be fatal to some people in minute amounts.
Some foods are deemed to be safe for most people under most conditions
in normal quantities, and the same can be said for lawn chemicals that
are sold over the counter. Of course, that's not saying much when you
really think about it.
Fine. Forget food. Think of medicines. Here's an exercise. Let's say you had
athlete's foot and could not get rid of it after 6 months of using over the
counter products. You go to a dermatologist. She says "Well, here's a cream
that's been around for decades and it works in about 2 weeks. But, there's
this new thing - I just read that it's about to go to clinical trials next
year. It's a pill. But, so far, it's caused cancer within a month for the 18
animal species it's been tested on. Wanna try it?"
What would you do?
See...the chemical companies don't give you that choice. Your only option is
to avoid exposure. You have absolutely NO idea what their products may do to
Angry? How you are I feel about the sins of chemical companies is in NO way
connected with the reality of what they do. I may be angry at the fact that
GE has yet to take responsibility for what it did to the Hudson River. You
may think it's not a problem. But, the crap they dumped is still there. Get
it? Your misplaced faith in the company doesn't make it safe to eat the
striped bass that are contaminated by the dumping.
Two points to add:
1) If you can't provide enough detail to be interesting, why bother posting
a response, Ms. Ratgirl? (sarcasm assured here) :-)
2) This past spring, NPR ran a story about studies looking into why people
in Japan, who have a relatively low rate of certain cancers, seem to lose
their edge when they (meaning Japanese immigrants in general) have been here
for a generation or two. The easy answer seemed to be diet, but the
scientists interviewed put a lid on that idea for reasons I don't recall.
What they suspect is....guess what? Chemicals.
The only truly organic method of clover control is hand pulling. I know,
this is probably not the solution you were looking for but other than this
method, the only effective control is through the use of specific
herbicides. Not all herbicides recommended for use on turfgrass are
effective - look for one that contains MCPP (mecoprop) or triclopyr.
Products which are based on 2,4-D (Weed-B-Gone) are not effective on clover
and avoid heavy use of dicamba around desirable plants as it can affect the
roots of shrubs and trees. Timing of the use of these products is critical
as well - clover is best approached during the spring or fall when growth is
especially lush or the seeds are germinating. Temperatures should be below
80F and avoid using when rain is predicted within 24 hours.
Clover proliferates in lawns which experience compacted soils, are thin or
are deficient in nitrogen or phosphorus. Once you have clover under control,
keeping the lawn well aerated and healthy through the use of proper
fertilization, watering and mowing techinques will help to prevent further
infestation. Corn gluten meal is a safe and organic pre-emergent control
that will revent weed seed germination as well as provide a source of needed
nitrogen. Also, if you live in an area where cool season grasses comprise
the lawn mix, allowing the lawn to go dormant in summer (no irrigation) will
help supress clover, as it is not drought tolerant and will die without
regular irrigation. The grass will return to its normal green and lush
appearance with the return of fall rains.
You are correct to avoid overusing herbicides around children. Small
children and pets are much more sensitive to herbicide contamination than
are adults. But most common lawn herbicides breakdown fairly rapidly, so if
you can keep the kids and pets off the lawn for a couple of days after
application, you should be OK. Spray-on applications will be faster to
metabolize and dissipate into the soil than granular applications. Runoff is
typically not an issue with spray-on applications (like Weed-B-Gone), but is
much more likely to occur with granular applications and products like
BTW, upto the early 50's, white clover was often included in lawn seed
mixes, as it was considered an attractive and beneficial addition to lawns
pam - gardengal
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