I have compiled a 2005 wall calendar featuring my species orchid
this is in addition to the FL native orchids calendar posted earlier:
Orchid art, photography, t-shirts, and related products:
Warning: nondenominational comment ahead:
CafePress.com is the same company that Max (remember her) used to make her
orchid coffee mugs and cards. It is an interesting business model for
people who have pictures that can be put on things like calendars and cards
and t-shirts and coffee mugs and shoes horns and teddy bears and soup cans.
I still have my "Usual Suspects" mug. I went to cafe press and typed
"orchids" into the site search looking for her mugs to see if she was still
doing it. There were 100 pages of orchid related products. Some of them
looked pretty neat. I saw an "I Love Orchids" license plate holder as I was
paging down. :-) and more cards and calendars and mugs than there are
orchid species.... :-)
Actually, I'll do no such thing...I was indeed advertising the
presence of my calendar to people who've seen my orchid
photography for a number of years. There's been a
long-standing (long before Mr./Ms./Mrs. Barrett showed up)
tradition on (at least) rec.gardens.orchids that posting a
URL to something new and interesting (like an update to your
own plant listing if you're a commercial vendor) is not
out-of-bounds. Posting the contents of your plant listing,
or posting the details of your orchid-related item
(specifications, price, etc.), directly to the nesgroup, on
the other hand, would be crossing the line.
Hence, since I did not cross this line on r.g.o, I see no reason to
apologize or excuse my actions. Now, if I've violated the
charters of the other newsgroups to which I've posted (of
which I'm admittedly less aware), then I would gladly offer
my sincere apologies for any offense caused.
Orchid art, photography, t-shirts, and related products:
I think folks were just pulling your leg, Prem.
You're absolutely right about the long-standing tradition. For the first
several years in the existence of my business, posts here stating stuff like
"I just added some new plants. Go to the URL below, if you're interested in
seeing them." was my ONLY form of advertising, and the participants of this
group have always been very supportive.
Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!
My two cents on this subject: I would think that if a person (such as
yourself or Ray, for example) who is a valuable participant in this virtual
community and has posted many messages that are not just advertisements,
chooses to post a brief non-obnoxious ad for their products from time to
time, as long as it is orchid related and likely to be of interest to the
participants, I don't think there is any problem, and I hope that others
feel the same.
What does bother me is if someone we have never heard of before posts a
message to this and a dozen other newsgroups which are at best marginally
related to his subject without bothering to even stick around to see whether
anyone minds. Since what you did wasn't remotely like that, no problem here.
I agree w/ Joanna. And, being an artist myself, I'd like to offer
counter-encouragement to the comment awhile back, about your calendar being
Read that a couple of times, and feel free to fluff up and preen.
People will always have a tendency to say something is "too pricey" when
they personally can't or won't afford it. I'll just be truthful - I'm an
artist (jewelry designer), and I can't afford to buy it. I'd love to have
your calendars, Prem, and I'd buy them for that price in a heartbeat, but,
honestly, I'm cheap. I'd rather buy an orchid in my splurge moment.
Keep up the good work and don't let nay-sayers get you down,
To all who think Prem's calendars are too expensive, trot your butts down to
Barnes and Noble, and see just how much they are charging for calendars,
many of them far inferior in photographic talent.
Then shut your face and give him the complements he deserves, instead of
I was surprised by Frank's reply to your post, too. But then I re-read your
post, and you did write "trot your butts". And it is a phrase that is too
cute by half. And no, this is not a pickup line! :-)
*grin* Sorry, I tend to type the way I speak when I'm ticked off, and I was
avoiding using "a*ses". But then, one man's figure of speech, is another
man's bellylaugh. (My apologies to R.A.H. for slaughtering his quote in the
name of conversation)
Glad to know it's not a pick-up line.
Perhaps you chose that insult because you have something smoking in -your-
Prem spends 90% of his NG time sharing his knowledge and photography of
native Florida orchids. I haven't seen you being near so selfless. In fact,
you rarely share any knowledge, mostly just very infrequent photos and snide
side-notes. Oh, and since we had to mention "flogging", you spend an awful
lot of time "flogging" your ego, and "morals". Maybe some of us ARE
interested in Prem's "stupid wares."
Quit jeering those who give a lot more to this community than you do.
Since I think some apologies are called for, I will start:
My apologies to rec.gardens and alt.binaries.pictures.gardens for continuing
this thread in all four groups -- I did not realize until a moment ago that
this thread went to 4 groups.
Most of the participants thus far have been regulars in rec.gardens.orchids
and alt.binaries.pictures.orchids (but I don't know how many or how few of
us hang in the other groups as well). Since I do not frequent the other
groups, I would not have replied to all groups if I had realized before that
all four groups were receiving this thread.
This is my last post to this thread.
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