On Saturday, July 12, 2014 3:57:31 PM UTC-7, Todd wrote:
ewed up due to global warming, that we just doesn't know how long the tomat
o growing season will last. So I'm going to throw some tried & true tom se
eds into the ground and see what comes up.
Er...this is rather embarrassing. In researching the organization you ment
ion, I see that it is founded and run by a John L. Casey. There are many l
inks, of which the most "interesting" are:
www.deland912.org - Proxy - Highlight
John L. Casey has served his country, science, and high technology ... Case
y has spelled out a compelling case that a new cold era has arrived.. ... i
mparts Casey's in-depth analysis of how the recently started "solar (break
Giborah: Worth a visit if only for glowing tribute to Michelle Bachmann.
I've emailed Space and Science to ascertain their source(s) of funding.
Uh, we're actually talking CLIMATE not WEATHER.
No it is not. "Embarrasing" is being told what to
think by others. There are tons and tons of folks
doing solar cycle research.
> In researching the organization
> you mention, I see that it is founded and run by a John L. Casey.
Someone else you were told to hate, no doubt?
> Casey has spelled out a compelling case that a new cold era
> has arrived .. ... imparts Casey's in-depth analysis of how the
> recently started "solar (breaks off).
Fascinating. Seems like to Global Cooling folks took it on the
The earth will definitely cool again. Not so much to get
hysterical over or to turn our freedom over to elitists
totalitarianists, like you want to do with the Global
Here is a search on the 206 year solar research:
No doubt, you will find those that want to run around screaming.
You were talking about a second planting, which was
weather related. That was my comment about the
You notice a trend here. Science to me is open for debate.
I love the discovery part of science. Today's truths
are always tomorrow's falsehoods. Science is not my
politics and/or religion. With you, it definitely
is your religion and your politics. That is why
get so offended and start with the name calling
when your gods get challenged and is also why you let
others tell you what to think.
Since you are from the PRC, have you ever been to Fossil Falls?
I was a pretty cool water fall when the last mini ice age melted.
I have seen it several times and studied it in my college
California geology class.
This tour sounds fun:
On Sunday, July 13, 2014 12:44:40 AM UTC-7, Todd wrote:
See, Todd, this is why your posts are so embarrassing -- to YOU.
I never heard of the guy until I researched the organization you enthusiastically recommended. But -- frankly -- you come off more than a little paranoid assuming I was "told to hate" someone I never heard of.
Wow! I've been called a lot of names, but "elitist totalitarianists" (actually should be just "totalitarian") is a new one.
Over & out on this topic, Todd.
I actually wasn't calling you that -- you are a follower -- I was
calling the fraudsters that who foisted this junk science on all
the rest of us. Please pardon me if it came out otherwise.
And, yes we better end this topic or we may give David
a heart attack. Sound fun, but David would be hard to
replace. (I wonder if they well a cheaper model at
Those are in fact home grown. Several of my neighbors put out a
roadside table in their front yard where they sell the overage of
their own crops on an honor system. I did that one year but it became
annoying when people began ringing my doorbell to ask when I'll have
this or that and some asked that I phone them when I had what they
My man now appears to be out of business. All he sold was tomatoes.
He's on a main road and has a table still out but has not planted a new
crop and field with cages is still there with nothing growing. Maybe a
health problem. I only saw him once but he was very knowledgeable about
tomatoes when we discussed a virus problem I was having.
Every year I have tried to grow full sized tomatoes
(Cherokee purple), it has been a bust. Last
year was my most successful at 2 and 1/2 tomatoes.
This year the nursery guy told me to try his "box
car" heirlooms. I like the guy, so I bought "one".
So far it has lots of flowers.
I have 10 of Cherries (3 varieties) and they are
covered with tons of green tomatoes. (I think
they are mocking me.)
I have a black thumb and have not yet figured out
why I am so jinxed with full sized tomatoes. Other
do fine with them. So, 1) I feel your pain, and 2)
please let us know if you ever figure it out.
My wife loved cherry tomatoes and we both eat them
like candy. Kind of what happens when the produce
tastes good. Maybe you should try some cherries?
10 cherry tomato plants is going to be a
huge crop for just a few people.
tomatoes take a while to mature on the plant.
be patient. ours have fruit on them now that we
won't harvest for another month at the earliest.
also, some are determinant and others are not.
know the difference and what it means for your
I wish. I have a black thumb. I will probably only get
1/4 the yield that you do, if that. So, I am making
up with quantity.
Was told the same thing about zucchini. "You will have
so many, you will have to give them to your neighbors!"
Not me! I think they were pulling my leg anyway.
If I remember correctly, last year I only got 3 off of
each of five plants. This year I have planted about
13 zuks. That would be 39 fruit. Maybe.
Thank you for confirming. I always think I am
doing something wrong and fret to much.
What is "determinant"?
Thank you for helping me with this.
the riddle wrapped in an enigma wrapped
You have serious problems. In reasonable conditions two or three plants
would feed a family all the zuccs they could eat.
It is a genetic difference in cultivars. Determinant tomatoes grow only so
many nodes and hence a limited number of fruit. The bush is (roughly) fixed
in maximum size and the fruit tend to be ready at the same time.
Indeterminant will go on getting bigger and bigger and growing more and more
nodes (and fruit) provided the conditions are suitable. The fruit are ready
in succession as the nodes flower in succession. IIRC Disney world holds
the record for the largest tomato "tree" that produced thousands of fruit -
it would be an indetrminant cultivar.
The former are good if you want a more bushy habit and want the fruit all at
once - say for canning. The latter are better if you want fruit right
through the growing season.
You think? Don't you know the definition of a small
town is that when you go to visit your neighbors,
you have to lock your car doors or you will find
your back seat full of Zukes?
That or you are having a good chuckle at my expense,
If you have any idea what I am doing wrong, I am all ears!
This is the compost I use:
And, everyone else has really good luck with it.
Then again, my soil is not soil. It is decomposed
sand stone. (Like decomposed granite, only uglier.)
Last year I got the most cherries ever. And had worms
for the first time in my little garden. So, I have high
Thank you for the excellent explanation!
Box car (1), Red Cherry (3), Black Cherry (3), Sweet
Everybody has tons of flowers. The cherries all have green
The two Tomatillo are going crazy with flowers. Got me
two Chinese lantern too.
I now have a three inch Eggplant. Cute as hell. And
I now have about 10 gorgeous iridescent violet flowers
across the two plants. And yes, I know, you have seem
prettier. I have not in my vegetable garden.
My Hollyhocks in the front yard are surreal they are so
pretty. Too bad you can't pick them and put them in
a vase. Classic five pedal dicot.
My zuke flowers look like they could bite you! You
can almost heard them say "feed me Seymour!"
This is the problem with usenet, I can't get enough data to have a good
idea. You can't tell me what I need to know and there are too many things
to ask. I can't transfer experience electronically and typing is too
Are you getting uncertainty in when the growing season will end?
In western Ohio, the main gardening related freakiness the last few
years has been the onset of spring. My statistical last frost is
mid-May, but the last couple years it would have been safe to plant
most things in early April. You just can't tell whether the warm
will suddenly go away. Two or three years ago (maybe 4?) we dropped
to ~20F in May.
Fall temperatures don't yet seem to be as chaotic, though late
summer rainfall is a coin toss.
Drew Lawson Some men's dreams
for others turn to nightmares.
Some important institutions are taking it seriously, including the US
"Climate change threatens national security
This issue is about science, not politics, and the military is taking it very
seriously, reports retired Rear Adm. DAVID W. TITLEY"
...who has a Ph.D in meteorology. *Read what the man says.* He *used
to be* a doubter.
Not a meteorologist, but one of our better (and more entertaining) science
As regards heirloom tomatoes, they may be somewhat less reliable
producers, but deliver a range of colors, textures, and flavors that you
can not get with the more modern hybrids.
For guaranteed production for canning and drying, I grow the best
modern hybrids. My cherry tomatoes are modern hybrids. (I dry a
lot of tomatoes and dried cherry tomatoes are great for snacks in
But the bulk of my fresh-eating tomatoes are heirlooms.
On Monday, July 14, 2014 8:09:45 AM UTC-7, Pat Kiewicz wrote:
1. Pat, nice try, but why waste electrons on hard-core deniers? They do not have a glimmer about interconnectedness of ocean currents, etc.
2. Possibly indiscreet q: What does your .sig mean? If private, je comprends.
3. I'm being tugged from all sides re: trying heirlooms again. Not the biggest decision I'll ever make -- but the small ones have always been the hardest! You should see me confronted with one of those BIG restaurant menus...<g>
None of their predictions are have come to pass. They have
been caught cheating. Their "models" couldn't predict
the sun rising in the east. They refuse to listen to
alternative investigation. Some have even lost their
jobs for their differing opinions. This isn't science.
This is politics/religion.
Have you ever been in the military? Politics rule the roost.
Don't think women pull their weight on deployment? Keep your
mouth shut or you will be busted for it. Seriously.
My wife is a vet and you should hear the stories of the women
goofing off on deployment. She was appreciated by all the
guys as she actually jumped in with them and pitched camouflage
and the rest, rather than run and hide. The only female
that did such. She took her duty seriously. The others
did not. Any one trying to get the rest of the females to
do their duty would have been busted. It is not politically
correct. You keep your mouth shut and tow the line.
Don't trust anything where your job depends on totting a
political line. And Global Warming is a political agenda.
NASA included on this one.
By the way "doubter" is a religious term. If the warming
crowd had anything, they would not resort to religious
axioms and political correctness.
Think of the Military or any other government study as
an "industry funded" study. The results are often
predetermined. Look at such with a gimlet eye.
The earth is not warming, sea level are not rising,
and on and on and so forth. We need to get this out of the
realm of politics/religion and back into the realm
By the way, taking women on deployment is like taking
your wife camping. And, yes, were I still in the
military, I would have been busted for that comment.
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