Ground Beef Recall Expanded

[Jangchub]

I take Solgar vitamins and minerals. Most enriched foods have B-12 in them.

[Jangchub]

I think your research was limited because in ten seconds I found this:

way, I am lacto/ovo for now and slowly moving toward vegan. This takes time, and needs dilligence. On the other hand while red meat may provide certain things, it also provides artery clogging cholesterol, which mine is 130 total. Good is twice as high as bad.

[doofy]

Jangchub wrote: >>How are your vitamin B-12 levels?

What sources?

[doofy]

None of those foods listed for B12 on that site are natural foods, so, B12 is not naturally contained in any vegetable sources. Yeast, yes. Other fungi, not sure.

Vitamins are fine. I tried some B12 tabs one time, but they kept giving me the runs.

[Billy]

Om, I agree that radiation will kill bacteria but salmonella and e. coli = shit. I really don't want to irritate you but how much shit should we be expected to eat? 1 microgram/kilo, 1 milligram/kilo, 1 gram/kilo, more? This phony "war on terror" is supposed to make us safer, and we are going to introduce more dirty bomb material into the social arena while we are pissing off (re:oppressing) the developing world?

We can live healthier lives with less meat and eating less shit is just a benefit. If people want to eat GMOs and eat irradiated meat, that is fine by me but they need to be identified so that people like me don't eat them by accident. A free market only works with when buyer and seller understand the transaction. At present, GMOs aren't identified.

[Billy]

From my own biased opinion, this person (Jangchub) is a waste of time. For over a year she has been dying from or suffering from innumerable illnesses. Her whole point in being seems to be to attract attention and sympathy. 'Nuff said.

[FarmI]

It's not as cut and dried as you are making out. Transmission during slaughter is not an automatic thing which is what you seem to be suggesting.

[FarmI]

So? My vegetable garden is fed with animal faeces and dried blood and ground up bone I still eat the product that grows there.

The meat industry is

Since it is apparent that at least some vegetarians are prone to making illogical and hysterical statements, I've decided that I'll remain a meat eater.

[Janet Baraclough]

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from Billy contains these words:

The majority of people reading this, will one day suffer a serious illness, and we're all going to die. I shan't consider my life wasted, whatever way it ends. YMMV.

Far longer.

YEARS before you dragged your home-made soapbox to this newsgroup and started preaching to all on how they should live, Jangchub was a regular gardening poster and experienced Mastergardener with a huge amount of horticultural knowledge freely shared, practising the earth-friendly approach.

What a newcomer apparently sees as attention-seeking or personal stuff, is no more than longterm members of the group catching up on each other's real-lives which we've followed for years.(She's not the only one).But even for new readers who don't know that group personal history, all gardeners will one day have their fun curtailed by physical changes and have to change how they garden. V's physical journey and experience, is relevant to all, and to the gardens we make.

You certainly have. Next time you're boring the pants off the group in your repetitive way , perhaps you'd care to edit your posts to remove the endlessly requoted irrelevances?

Janet

[Jangchub]

Eggs, dairy, soy, vitamn pill.

[Jangchub]

Because you got the runs doesn't mean everyone gets the runs. I take a very high quality multi vitamin.

[Jangchub]

I've been posting ot this newsgroup since 1995 and I am not dying, I have hepatitis c which is causing me to have cirrhosis which will require a transplant eventually if we can't get the virus under control. Because YOU are relatively new around here doesn't mean I'm new. Hardly the case. What else do you perceive I'm dying from? What are these inumerable illnesses?

[Janet Baraclough]

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See

Janet

[doofy]

Soy does not have B12. Your article said "fortified soy". It is artificially added there.

Eggs and dairy are not part of a vegan diet, and I'm unsure whether they contain B12.

[doofy]

Did I say that?

[enigma]

Billy wrote in news: [e-mail] ct.net.au:

i'd guess less. the reason the US has more instances of e.coli contaminated meat is because they push the slaughter lines so fast. US lines run almost twice as fast as lines in Europe are allowed. if the packers were allowed to "cold pasturize" the meat, they'd push the lines even faster. the faster those poor, underpaid workers have to go, the more mistakes, from live cattle on the line, to knife slips, to contamination.

i take it you don't eat any rice grown in America then? there was an 'oopsie' with the GM test rice... it has crosspolinated with other rices & all rice in the US now has GM genetics... which is why the USDA passed a rule allowing GM rice. it's all there is here now, unless you seek out imported rice. lee

[JoeSpareBedroom]

Some time ago, someone in this group posted a link to a video of some retard cutting up chicken on a cutting board, and without cleaning it, he uses the same board to prepare salad.

The fact that he was standing there indicates that Darwin's theory often doesn't work quickly enough to improve the population at large.

[enigma]

Jangchub wrote in news: [e-mail]:

but not for *food*. for ethanol. because people, especially in the US don't want to give up their gas guzzling SUVS & use public transportation. the DOT and the major cities need to completely ban private automobiles, and spend much more on light rail & other public transport. the only way to get people to stop wasting fuel on single occupant vehicles is to ban their use. i live an hour & a half drive from Boston, but 20 minutes from a train/bus station. i'd *really* rather take a train or bus in than drive, but the schedules suck (in the early 90s there was a bus to/from Boston to Manchester NH hourly. now it runs once/day). lee

[doofy]

According to a web search, dairy does have B12. Now, are they lumping eggs into the dairy category, like many do? I don't know.

[JoeSpareBedroom]

Probably just because of where eggs are found in most grocery stores: The dairy department, or close to it.