Yes, I didn't clarify, but I meant corn. When someone says corn fed,
run the other way.
Okay, I concede. I was focused on beef. I should have been more
broad in my thought.
Oh, I certainly was not proselytizing to anyone here. This is my
choice and my spiritual path. My husband eats meat and I make it for
him, but he eats very little. These days there are so many ways to
cook nutritious foods using alternative measures. There are times
where he doesn't even know he isn't eating meat. Fortunately, I
didn't marry a big fuss pot. He appreciates most of what I cook for
him. Now if I can get him off hot dogs that would be great. Till
then, at least I buy Kosher.
No, but I will find out. The other thing which is used in some
processed foods is gelatin. I never know what the source for that
gelatin comes from. It can get very complicated being vegan, which is
why I'm slowly doing it. As for the free range, I always buy free
range, cage free, brown eggs. Cage free doesn't always mean free
range and I always buy organic when I can.
when I get anemia, it is not from iron. I get low red blood cells
which then requires me to take Procrit injections. If I don't, I
can't take a step without being out of breath. This has not been an
easy illness and I've had this virus for about 35 years, which is why
it is now really giving me problems.
It is fun to raise your own. Truly. ;-)
1/2 dozen hens would probably supply you with all you needed and if you
had no rooster, the eggs laid would be sterile, so you'd not be killing.
A lot of egg artists demand infertile eggs for their artwork for that
With your liver problems, that's a different issue...
I hope you can work it out somehow. 35 years is a long time!
To be honest, I live under deed restrictions which say I cannot have
farm animals, but I also can't take it if an animal dies under my
care, and I don't want to have to deal with it any more. We do have a
parrot, Macaw, and she is plenty to take care of. Whoever coined the
phrase "eats like a bird" has no idea how much birds eat! It is
continuous, with continuous poo. Fortunately, she was poop trained to
poop in a waste basket when she was very young.
It is a long time. My lifestyle contributes greatly to my longevity.
I don't have the stress of having to work, I have a perfect husband
even when he isn't perfect. I also stopped drinking any alcohol over
24 years ago when I learned it would kill me fast.
om mani padme hum
A missed point here ... I'm guessing that a freezing cow wallowing in
urine and feces is a little more miserable than a nervous-system-
lacking plant side-dressed with feces/blood/bone.
Some vegetarians *are* prone to making illogical and hysterical
statements, but this lengthy thread proves the hysterical and
illogical lengths that meat-eaters go to make meat safe. Please don't
let the crazies turn you off ... when you stop being responsible for
countless animal slaughters your soul will thank you!
Yes you did miss the point. But that's OK, the rest of us figured out that
Jangchub was responding to a post about e-coli being in cattle guts.
I'm guessing that a freezing cow wallowing in
So, we have a post about e-coli in cattle guts, a response about cattle
wallowing in manure and somehow you translate that to sad, cold and unhappy
I'm sure even a school kid could figure out that cattle will poop all year
round so cold weather if irrelevant. And, as a cattle breeder, I can tell
you that cattle will quite happily poop while they lie down and don't seem
to bother if they then shift possition and end up wiht it smeared all over
themselves. I've even seen a cow have her head shat on by another cown and
she didn't even bother moving and she was under no restiction to move if she
had so desired.
You are obviously not reading the same thread as I am. The lengthy thread
I'm reading has spent more time trying to find out how vegans get B12.
The only time any vegetarian has ever made sense to me was when they have
stated that they don't eat meat because they don't like the taste of meat.
The instant they get off into ethics or philosophy, they start being
illogical and then go from bad to worse.
"Vitamin B12, whether in supplements, fortified foods, or animal products,
comes from micro-organisms."
The original link pointed to Iranian vegans who get their B-12 from
eating unwashed vegetables fertilized with humanure.....
"The human body stores several years worth of vitamin B12, so nutritional
deficiency of this vitamin is extremely rare."
"Neither plants nor animals make vitamin B12. Bacteria are responsible
for producing vitamin B12."
"One brand of nutritional yeast, Red Star T-6635+, has been tested and
shown to contain active vitamin B12."
Soylent Vitamin B-12 is bacteria poop!
I stopped eating meat because I didn't like the taste and texture, and it
made me feel ill trying to digest it (pot roast Sundays in my college co-op,
specifically). I am ovo-lacto, however.
The ethics and philosophy became important collateral health and ecology
issues after the fact. Personally, developing agriculture made us a pest
species on the planet, whether vegetarian or meat-eaters. We never should
have developed past the nomadic hunter-gatherer stage.
Except for ice cream......
all animals got e.coli in their gut, including humans.
meat should not have e.coli on the surface unless the meat packing plant has poor
poisoning comes in when the meat contaminated on the outside is ground so that
bacteria now is evenly distributed thru out the ground meat. all meat has
ground into it, it just happens that this kind of e.coli is a strain that is very
toxic and infection requires a very small number of the toxic strain. normally
own e.coli prevents infection by other e.coli.
My theory: There's more than one strain, and perhaps the one we host
naturally is different from what grows on beef. AND, sometimes, a large
enough population of bacteria provides too much competition for another
type. This is why an unopened container of yogurt will last quite a bit
longer than the expiration date, assuming it contains active cultures.
Some time ago, someone in this group posted a link to a video of some retard
cutting up chicken on a cutting board, and without cleaning it, he uses the
same board to prepare salad.
The fact that he was standing there indicates that Darwin's theory often
doesn't work quickly enough to improve the population at large.
Years ago it was shown that bacteria do not
survive on wooden cutting boards. See the following:
Was he using a wooden cutting board?
It was a white plastic cutting board. And, I haven't read the article at the
link, but regardless, the salad ingredients were placed on the cutting board
just seconds after he got done hacking up the chicken. I don't care what the
cutting board's made of. You don't do that. If a health inspector was
properly trained and saw you doing that in a restaurant kitchen, he'd grab a
cleaver and cut your hands off at the wrist so you wouldn't do it again.
I was not recommending doing this, merely speculating on why Darwin's theory
wasn't working in this particular instance. I do have a food handlers card
(from 2 decades ago - I wonder if it's still good)
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