I was raised hunting animals (non-Jewish side of family) and fishing. I suddenly
decided that if I wasnt going to eat it (squirrel full of pellets) or fish (dont
em) then I shouldnt kill them. I havent hunted or fished since I was 15 or so,
point I describe as the age at which my Jewish genes kicked in. Ingrid
On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 23:41:10 -0500, Charlie wrote:
but if I am going to consume meat, I
i've never seen the stunner used on the back of an animal's
head. it, like the .22, is positioned in that X between the
ears & eyes. the 'stunner' actually kills the animal
instantly, so 'stunner' is a misnomer.
we used these to kill animals when i was in college in the
early 70s. i was an ag major.
I'm thinking that maybe it's done in different ways. What a concept. We
certainly wouldn't want to descend into Om logic and claim it's done the
same way everywhere, just because cousin Clevis does it a certain way.
yes, it is quick and painless. But to make the animal kosher it must be bled out
completely. In terms of parasitology, blood is most likely to carry disease, so
is good to bleed animals out completely for healths sake.
BTW, I dont keep kosher. Ingrid
Oh the whole thought of that is simply heartbreaking to me. I'll
never eat meat again of any kind and haven't for years. It has only
improved my health as we don't need anywhere near the level of protein
nutritionists used to suggest. Actually, it's low on the food pyramid
On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 09:03:17 -0500, email@example.com wrote:
The food pyramid was constructed by non-scientists. It does not reflect the
of the diet of humans during evolution. If I ate the "food pyramid" I would end
morbidly obese (instead of just overweight). There is some scientific
there (not yet a theory) that the high protein levels of food from the sea or
is what supported a bigger and better brain. altho every cell in the body needs
cholesterol to strengthen the cell membrane, the brain requires even higher
You would be morbidly obese if you overate what the food pyramid
suggests. If you overate apples you'd also be obese. Proper caloric
intake has no bearing on where the calories come from. You can get
the same brain of a fish eater by using any form of omega 3 oils, also
found in flaxseed meal and oils...which must be refridgerated. Gel
pills are not that effective on overall health.
Personally, the whole "brain food" myth came from parents trying to
coax their kids into eating fish.
Too much protein in an adult can also cause kidney disfunction, or any
level thereof. In my case, I get plenty of whole protein from my
diet. If I overeat I will be fat. How much is the key, not the form
On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 09:27:52 -0500, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
I never heard the "brain food myth", never heard of that. I am talking about
theories proposed by anthropologists and "paleonutritionists" or whatever. It
very hot area of discussion in that area of science, which one of the physical
changes came first, which was the first change leading to homo sapiens. the
traits are upright walking, larger brains ... and the archeologists are finding
association of "homo almost" with lots and tons of shells and nearly all the
are right next to the sea.
Of course, high quality protein is essential for good brain development in
today as well.
I am not aware of any science research showing high protein intake can CAUSE
problems. I do know that is what dog food processors have used to sell their
disgusting dry pellets as dog for the last 50 years. Ingrid
The new food pyramid was constructed by big agra, who tell you that all
foods fit in a healthy diet, no matter how bad they are for you. It all
depends on you being an intelligent consumer (It's your fault.). The
agricultural lobby has tied-up the FDA and they will not tell you to eat
less fat. Five serving of fruits and vegetables a day will go a long way
towards making you a healthier person.
Although, nutritionists worry about the impact of methyl mercury from
lake and sea food.
I too would like to know the connection between dietary and serum
cholesterol. I don't know but my observation is that dietary cholesterol
is unimportant. Serum cholesterol comes from saturated fats.
Thanks for the discussion,
No indeed bleeeding out is not quick.
But I still believe stunning before bleeding out is a better way of killing.
Animals which are killed in the conventional method are kept calm as animals
that are upset produce more carcases which get called "dark cutters". This
means that the meat loses value - no abattoir aims to do that as its a loss
Cattle killed in an Abattoir are stunned as soon as they walk through the
door and then bled out. It's painless.
in a slaughtering plant the processing line has a number of stations and each
does one of two "cuts" and then the meat moves on to the next station. companies
want that line to go as fast as possible so the precision of gutting the animals
going to determine if the gut is cut or not. at the high speeds of today's
gut is going to get cut.
example: chickens are dipped into water to wet their feathers so the machine can
strip the feathers off and I am sure there is crap in that water that is now
distributed well over the whole chicken.
Bacteria is going to be on the surface of the meat. Inside the meat is
sterile. Problem when you grind burger is as you say. That's why it is
safe to eat a steak cooked rare but not a hamburger. Chicken are
another story. Practically impossible to gut them and keep clean.
(You can gut a cow and keep gut off meat.) That's why there is more
food poisoning from chicken than beef.
Problem is worst with factory chubs. Too many cows
being sent down the line, inevitably a few are going to
get their gut contents spilled into the meat.
Either buy in-store ground, or grind your own.
Most recipes that call for ground beef are improved by substituting
cubed. Not difficult to do yourself with a sharp, well-maintained
knife. Can't understand why ground beef is so popular here.
cheap (comparatively), easy & it uses up a lot of cuts that
most people nowadays don't want or even know what to do with.
very few people want roasts (take too long for "busy cooks")
& they have no clue what to do when confronted with anything
besides a steak or ground beef.
before fast food became widely available, there were very few
steak houses, because there was nowhere for the other cuts to
go. now it just gets ground up & sold as burger.
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