Global warming and your garden

[Omelet]

Good point.

[Omelet]

But if it IS cyclical and not controllable, it's better to just prepare rather than whine about it.

[enigma]

Omelet wrote in news: [e-mail]:

even if it's partly our fault (which i'm sure it is, along with the cyclical), it's better to prepare than whine about it. people in the US (& most industrialized countries) have this "manifest destiny" thing going on... entitlement. living beyond their means, in as grand & wasteful a manner as possible. plus no one teaches practical knowledge in schools anymore. lee

[Bill]

Neat tool deals with drought.

Bill

[Billy]

People are only whining about it because President Monkey Smirk hasn't taken the initiative. Part of preparing for it, is remediating the problem, not exacerbating the problem. If it really is a problem of "Titanic" proportions, then we're screwed because there is no place to run. We may even set a record for mass extinctions, and take everything with us. The idea is so over the top, we can't deal with it, and just keep pulling our weeds and stomping our snails, trying to put it out of our minds. We will all be long gone before the caca hits the fan, but what preparations can you make for 250C temps and sulfuric acid rain? It all boils down to the maximizing profits for the next quarter and thirty years from now, will sort itself out on its' own, i.e. bad management.

[Omelet]

VERY accurate statement. :-)

We try to conserve and recycle wherever practical for a start. How many kids nowadays know (or care about) what local plants are edible if you ever had to survive?

[Omelet]

The planet will survive...

one way or another. ;-)

[Billy]

Prepare for the worst, and hope for the best.

Our infotainment media keeps Americans pretty well insulated from reality. I don't think most Americans have any idea about how wasteful we are. There certainly is a percentage of Americans who think we have a "manifest destiny" (even though it is beginning to look like the same one the lemmings have) an entitlement to rule the planet. Unfortunately for them, even relatively frugal western Europe is going to have a hard time managing its' life style. Wars certainly aren't the answer, India and Pakistan are highly populated and nuclear armed. A war there would leave only a few humans to face the fruition of our industrial age, based on fossil fuel.

Some do but most of the manufacturing jobs have been out sourced.

lee

[Persephone]

Priceless!!!

The smirk comes up early in new book about our newest "dynasty".

Jacob Weisberg, editor of Slate on-line mag, has written

"The Bush Tragedy", which traces the Prescott, Bush and Walker families several generations back. VERY interesting analysis which goes deep into the Oedipal factor, and shows that W. is a throwback to the Walker side, rather than the Bush side.

Highly recommended for those interested not only in how America has been brought low, but also in our current topic, climate change: How leadership can either ameliorate or exacerbate the phenomenon.

Persephone

[Bill]

Some reviews of the book here.

One Way or Another 3:36 Blondie

Bill :))

[Omelet]

A good book for historians in a few years?

[tstovall]

Aren't most of the people of this NG already contributing greatly to reduce Global Warming? We all (or at least want to) GARDEN and many of this list will apply to most of the gardeners.

1. Organic Growers aren't using (much) fertilizers, insecticides or pesticides.
2. Some Gardeners don't use any gasoline or fuels.
3. We strive to figure out ways to use water the most efficient way.
4. Any produce we grow means that it doesn't have to be transported from far away.
5. For the many that compost, we are giving the landfills less.
6. Many vegetable gardeners successive and some extend their seasons.
7. If we plant enough flowers and trees, we are trying to offset the buring of the Amazon rainforests.
8. Our efforts do not require taxpayer money and our efforts from the millions of gardeners world wide probably do more than all the government programs anyway.

Gardeners Forever! ~tom

[Billy]

It's that other way that has me nervous. Hey ya know, how it goes, you never know what you got till it's gone, you take Paradise and put up a parking lot. Cool back to square one, except this time these is already a lot of hydrolyzed amino acids floating around. That should be helpful;o))

[Billy]

Even the knuckle draggers start walking away when the provenance of President Monkey Smirk is about to be alloted.

[Billy]

Always one of my favorites. Unfortunately, I only have it on vinyl.

[Billy]

Sure to make the beers go down quicker;-(

[enigma]

Billy wrote in news: [e-mail] ct.net.au:

pretty much...

hey now! don't go dissing the lemmings! that bad rap about jumping off cliffs was entirely generated by a bored Disney camera crew doing a "documentary". they *chased* those poor leemings over the cliff to their deaths. Disney has a lot to answer for... i find it sad, but amusing that over 75% of houses i am seeing for sale have such rediculous (for the northeast anyway) features as 'cathedral ceilings'. can you say 'heat sink'? i'm looking into a modular type house to put on that abutting lot (if i buy it. the present house is beyond fixer-upper, but the heirs think they can sell it as habitable. i'm going to offer them 40k. 50k if they do the demolition. no way is that place going to get a loan as is). it's near impossible to find a less than 1000 sq.ft. 2 bedroom, one bath plan... bigger is all over, with huge amounts of wasted space.

gardening, mechanics, assorted handcraft arts (pottery, basketry, woodworking, sewing, plumbing), a solid, practical mathmatics base, critical thinking... stuff like that.

lee

[Billy]

The site shows landscaping, and I've seen auto mechanics being taught. Practical mathmatics base, critical thinking... stuff like that, would probably put you on a college track. It hasn't helped my earnings but has allowed me to step in and out of the labor market.

Your post on getting a drop spindle made me redouble my efforts and I've ordered an Ashford Student Spindle, bottom whorl model that can also be used as a top whorl, 2.8 oz., 12" shaft and 3" whorl.

I may have some questions. Could you write to me at [e-mail] so I don't need to clutter up the gardening group.

I think I mentioned that 5 tromboncinis have come up, plus 4 bitter melons. The heat is back in the 70's today and the peanuts seem stuck in getting all the way up. The year is looking good, just getting impatient with some of my tomatoes, seems like they are taking forever. The ones in the ground are growing quickly though. Everything that had a brush with the damping off seems to being having difficulties. Think I need to repot again.

[aluckyguess]

when oil is gone there will be new technologies to fix a lot of the problems. Think of all the patents the oil company's probably have locked up.

There might be some joy down the road but thats just a guess and lets hope I get lucky.

[Jangchub]

Did you see the new Dish Network commercial where the actor portrays shrub and he is showing a remote control for the dish and he says, (paraphrase) "There's this button pawzay; that's French for stop!" The button was actually pause.

I laughed out loud at that one.

My grandmother was a VP at the notorious Walker family empire. She worked on Wall Street for fourty years at G.H. Walker (no longer exists). Hey, at least she got to use the lux box at Shea Stadium!

She's long gone after 96 years of life. They still send a Christmas card.