Maybe we should tell the EPA. hey just listed the polar bear as an
endangered species because of polar warming. Actually, glaciers should
be on the same list. Glaciers are fast disappearing which is bas news
because instead of reflecting sunlight back into space, when the glacier
is gone the sunlight (heat) gets absorbed by the planet and accelerates
You need to improve your reading material. What does disappearing
ice sheets in Greenland and Antarctica (not to mention the attendant
200' rise in ocean levels) suggest to you? Heating or cooling? Hmmm?
Hot again, cold again, the weather goes up and down. Freeman Dyson is
indeed a heavy weight and a man to be listened to. Poor Eric the Red
went during the good times and his colony survived 450 years and then
got stranded in the cold.
This isn't my response. Steven Hawking is a very heavy weight.
Since the February 2004 release of the scientist statement speaking out
against political interference in science and calling for the
restoration of scientific integrity to policy making, a steady stream of
scientists has expressed their concern by adding their signatures to the
statement. Initially signed by 62 leading scientists, the statement now
bears the signature of more than 12,000 scientists from all 50 states
and several U.S. territories, including 52 Nobel laureates, 62 National
Medal of Science winners, 194 members of the National Academies of
Science, and science advisors to both Republican and Democratic
presidents dating back to Eisenhower.
Gingrich saw to the dismantling of the Office of Technological
Assessment which advised Congress. Then Jim Tozzi and John Graham
promoted the Data Quality Act which effectively did away with
scientific modeling, even though we still use it to assess nuclear
war head effectiveness.
The Republican War on Science by Chris Moony,
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It wasn't the industrial burning of fossil fuel that
lead Eric and his crew out to Greenland. And with Eric and his crew in
mind, it can be argued that if they had changed some of their old habits
and adopted some of the Inuits strategies for staying
alive, instead of the stiff-necked insistence on being good Norwegians,
they probably would have survived.
Read "Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed" by Jared
Diamond, for a fascinating account of Eric's Norse colony.
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The great preponderance of scientists find "Global Warming" credible. It
isn't a gamble we can afford to lose.
The arguments against "Global Warming" are the same arguments that
were used against the dangers of cigarettes, acid rain, and
ozone depletion (chloroflurohydrocarbons: CFCs), i.e. you can't
prove it using the scientific method of repeatable results, yet we
now know that cigarettes are a health hazard for the smoker and
anyone around the smoker, and that acid rain, and the diminished
ozone layer (protects us from ultraviolet radiation) are man made
Better people than I have tried to present the case for "Global
Warming". Some people, usually people who don't want to stop
polluting, or make money from fossil fuels, don't want to believe
it, and will support voices against it.
January 3, 2007
Scientists' Report Documents ExxonMobil's Tobacco-like Disinformation
Campaign on Global Warming Science
Oil Company Spent Nearly $16 Million to Fund Skeptic Groups, Create
WASHINGTON, DC, Jan. 3-A new report from the Union of Concerned
Scientists offers the most comprehensive documentation to date of how
ExxonMobil has adopted the tobacco industry's disinformation tactics, as
well as some of the same organizations and personnel, to cloud the
scientific understanding of climate change and delay action on the
issue. According to the report, ExxonMobil has funneled nearly $16
million between 1998 and 2005 to a network of 43 advocacy organizations
that seek to confuse the public on global warming science.
"ExxonMobil has manufactured uncertainty about the human causes of
global warming just as tobacco companies denied their product caused
lung cancer," said Alden Meyer, the Union of Concerned Scientists'
Director of Strategy & Policy. "A modest but effective investment has
allowed the oil giant to fuel doubt about global warming to delay
government action just as Big Tobacco did for over 40 years."
We can't wait 40 years. We should have started in the last century.
Please note the use of citations to support an argument.
Drove a bit crazy for a while till I could remember "Arctic Dreams".
No need to read the book but I think you would love it.
Sort of thinking that scientists become lobbyist in this weird media
image suggesting world.
The reviews of Arctic Dreams will entice but readers seem to be cast
aside yet yet yet hope. Incoherent ...perhaps calling for a chant.
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Exactly the same argument has been made for the British explorers who
failed over and over to find the Northwest Passage. Instead
of the "stiffnecked insistence on being good [Britishers]" they might
have survived. Bu, one after another the expeditions -- notably the
last Franklin one -- failed, and the most of the explorers died
because (excuse this, amigas/os across the pond) in that era,
post-Napoleonic Wars,* triumphalist Britain thought the sun shone out
of their you-know-what. In their missionary deal to Christianize the
"savages", they failed to notice that the "savages" had survived very
nicely for thousands of years by adapting their food, clothing, and
hunting methods to the local conditions.
*Post Napoleonic Wars, there were a lot of surplus naval officers on
half-pay, who had no other way to find glory, so they signed up for
these expeditions to find the Northwest Passage, a more direct way to
the riches of the Orient.
Ironically, had they waited a few centuries till climate change really
kicked in, they could have had an ice-free route through the
Northwest Passage in this year of 2008. But by the time the
Passage was traversed in 1906, it was no longer needed economically,
the Panama Canal was completed in 1914.
It was a very good Norwegian indeed, my hero Roald Amundsen,
who, with his small, efficient ship and experienced crew [antithesis
of Franklin's huge Navy-style expedition] befriended the "savages".
They taught him how to live off the land beween 1903 and 1906 -- the
year he finished the traverse of the Northwest Passage.
The only "Brit" that I know of, and he was a card-carrying Scot
who wasn't too good to learn from the locals, was the great
explorer and mapper, Dr. John Rae.
As I with a feeble mind looks at this stuff. The increase of heat has
caused much of the ice about to melt. The recently melted ice no longer
reflects energy back so it warms things up a bit.
Then why the cool spring?
Well the ice that melted flows into the ocean where the salt content is
lowered. No big deal but the ocean as a heat sink is reduced hence
wider shifts in temperature fluctuations.
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In fact, the respected magazine Science has reviewed this Pentagon
report and the alleged scientific support for The Day After Tomorrow and
concludes that "it is highly unlikely that global warming will lead to a
widespread collapse" of the Gulf Stream, and
"it is safe to say that global warming will not lead to the onset of a
new Ice Age".
In Nature, another highly-respected scientific journal, a researcher
finds that halting the Gulf Stream would be impossible, arguing that
"the only way to produce an ocean circulation without the Gulf Stream
would be to turn off the wind system or stop the Earth's rotation, or
Now, although it is not going to kill us the day after tomorrow, global
warming certainly is a reality. It is caused at least partly by
mankind's use of fossil fuels. The effects will be predominantly adverse
- although high-latitude nations might prosper in a warmer world,
tropical countries will have to deal with more heat-days, altered
precipitation and higher sea-levels. So what is wrong with using a piece
of popular entertainment to campaign for action to save people from
that? As the Nasa research oceanographer William Patzert says: "The
science is bad, but perhaps it's an opportunity to crank up the dialogue
on our role in climate change."
It would be futile for me to try and refute the "nay-sayers" of "Global
Warming", as is common in science and nature, there is
contradictory evidence, some from erroneous measurements, some from
oddities that can happen over a 500 million year of the geological
record. Most of the quibbling comes from the use of models
as predictors of future events. Models use hundreds of presumptions
(premises) and not everyone can agree on the same presumptions.
The other argument is that science isn't science unless you can do it in
a lab and get reproducible results. Obviously modeling the spread of a
contagious disease, the effectiveness of a nuclear war head design.
or the interaction of solar radiation variations and greenhouse gas
concentrations can't be done in a lab but they can be approximated
by computer models. The vast majority of the physical scientists
believe that "Global Warming" is a fact but dither on putting
a time table to it. The warm water passage that is developing in
the Arctic, the melting of the ice sheets in Greenland and Antartica,
coupled with the dramatic decrease in size of the worlds glaciers
have many scientists on edge and they are talking of tipping points were
the heating will be come irreversible leading to hellish repercussions
as imagined by Steven Hawking
Now you may say that this is an alarmist attitude to take, but if we act
and "Global Warming" doesn't happen, then we look silly.
If we don't act, and "Global Warming" is real, which again, most
scientists believe is true, it could lead to another mass extinction,
Which bet would you rather lose?
Even if we are not causing global warming, we are killing the planet.
It is almost like the media is constantly reminding us of this
overheating so we will forget about the other ways we are hurting the
earth: land overuse, water diversion, recreational vehicles, factory
farms, disposable everything, fertilizer, pesticides, herbicides,
medicines, paints, solvents, logging... need I go on.
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