Travis, you're getting sidetracked. Now Tom'll be able to make fun of your
for implying insecticides are necessary to get rid of aphids. You missed
entirely that in response to your request for scientific data favorable to
compost tea, he provided promotional literature derived from crazy Elaine
Ingham, who fabricates data strictly to promote her compost tea company.
Tom's "best" science is vendor indoctrinating literature. By slight of
hand he persistently avoids actual data & supplants it with vendor promo
pieces by the likes of Steve Diver & Elaine Ingham.
I don't use insecticides & a little surprised you do. Very curiously, I've
just never needed them! If I did come up against somethiung that couldn't
be handled organically, I might be tempted by nasty toxins, who knows, but
so far organic methods have been totally successful, while some of my
chums who are not organic in their gardening approach have insect troubles
all the time no matter how many chemicals they slather on everything.
-paghat the ratgirl
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I only use it on roses. It is all gone now and won't buy any more next
year. I do use Neem oil and another Bayer product to try to control
mites on my bamboo. If anyone knows the secret to controlling or
eradicating bamboo mites *please* let me know.
Travis in Shoreline (just North of Seattle) Washington
USDA Zone 8
I've never had mites on bamboo. However, I water properly when
needed, I cultivate properly, fertilize appropriately and clean up
broken, damaged or dead material from the ground. The plants are also
adequetly mulched. I'm not being a smart alec, but because I'm
organic, I have much less insect problems because I have green
lacewings, and many other beneficial insects.
It has nothing to do with luck. Did you not just read the method I
use to make healthy the plants, which are no longer attractive to pest
insects and mites? Or, did you discount it all so you can rationalize
your use of pesticides which are outrageously toxic?
Compost tea to develop a soil food web capable of cycling nutrients in
plant available forms...
Acts of creation are ordinarily reserved for gods and poets. To plant a pine,
one need only own a shovel.
-- Aldo Leopold
Tom, with all due respect, microbes exist in all healthy soils and can
be obtained with the application of healthy compost (not biosolids).
Clearly, I did not use aerobic comnpost tea in '93 and when I stepped
on a cultivator clear through my foot, I was infected with myriad
mycobacterium for 18 months.
So, while aerobic compost tea is a tool, it is not THE answer to all
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:48:28 -0700, Tom Jaszewski
People who used chemicals do not have healthy soils. I made that
clear. Hey, I am on your side.
Yes, I agree, but I also said "healthy" compost. So, what people
should learn is who is making it, what is used, was it set up in wind
rows, innoculated, etc.
In particluar, M. abesssus chelonae and it is associated with animal
manure. My last house was built on someone's farm.
Of course, but as we know, people are lazy, lazy, lazy. Not only
won't people take their kitchen waste to the pile, they won't HAVE a
pile. They think it's dirty, disgusting, rotting, smells, you name
I remember on these boards and the boards of Prodigy way back in the
80s when Bargyla Rateaver was called a kook and a nutcase. She PROVED
a root hair can uptake a whole molecule. I have her huge volume here.
Because she published her own work, she was discounted. She dedicated
her entire life to this work and was regarded as a nut.
I'm on your side, you know that. With aerobic tea, people simply
won't make it and when they do, they are probably making it
incorrectly so it's useless for their intentions. That, was my point,
actually. Devil's advocate, so to speak.
I was using the term when making reference to finding a source of
healthy compost. This method is used in commercial soil yards, not by
most home gardeners. Tom is a professional grounds keeper for a
rather elaborate garden, so he knew what I meant. I did think I
explained it to you, though.
It's a much larger scale of having two compost bins so you can turn
the compost over into the next bin.
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