Effective method to prevent emerald ash borer

[Joe]

Speaking of Shigo- he's great- I've got most of his books and I saw him give a lecture in the Green Mt. Nat. Forest- he cut down a tree and chopped it up. His work, IMHO, is some of the best stuff ever to come out of academia, in so far as a contribution to the work of field foresters.

Joe

[M. Fricker]

If it is such a good school, why do they have so many sick trees?

[Joe]

Most people have some illnesses, right? Same with trees.

[Don Staples]

Read his résumé.

[symplastless]

Don Staples

Again I ask the question. What are you?

[symplastless]

A healthy tree can have a thousand infections. As long as they are properly compartmentalized the tree will do well. I school could be teaching the right way to prune a tree but their trees could have been flush cut and painted years ago. Its going to take some time to get out of the flush cut wound dressing era. Just as thought as to why trees might not be doing well and the school is teaching correctly. Also when we studied tree biology and ASU the people who cared for trees on campus seldom attended the workshops.

[Don Staples]

I answer again, your worse enemy, a trained biologist. What memberships do you hold, tree biologist?

Beware a tree biologist who never studied biology.

[symplastless]

Don Staples

What are you?

[symplastless]

I define a group of words undefined as noise. Define yourself Don Staples. What are you?

[symplastless]

Ok it goes like this. Don says he's a forester. I ask him to define a forest, to him. Me with my eny-bitty little 3.5 day work shops was able to read data and write a page on what logging is to me, based on published data. With your longer term education maybe you could define what logging is to you (Don Staples). Please list page number and paragraph where data you mention can be found. Training with out education makes robots. Education without training makes? I think you are really a tree farmer who needs help managing trees on tree farms. Big difference from a true forester. Forest do not require that they be logged for trees and their associates. I.e., reflecting on how I define logging.

can you make me a copy of your references so I can read them. I will do the same for you if you like. Tree farmers could place logs as nurse logs in the woods when you take one out. A logger friend of mine built a unique machine for moving logs back and forth in a tree farm. We have taken trees into the woods and brought trees out with little impact as a result of this unique design. use logs from tree take downs that we do as a service. I will tell you that I have met some very fine people who are loggers in the edi-bitty 3.5 day workshops. Where is your resume Don Staples? We are doing some reforestation projects by bringing in some ecoart nurse logs. We have one more large oak to bing in and then we will selectively place many small diameter logs. This project will consist of planting in on and around the ecoart nurse logs thus increasing the health of the mini forest (nature preserve) by means of mentioned data here: is the type of forestry I do. me tell you that those 3.5 day workshops really add up. And yes, I am a want a be forester. To have a regular job as someone who cared for the vitality of the trees and their associates of a forest based on tree biology as defined in my dictionary. I list my definition of a forest in my dictionary. listed what I mean when I say tree biology here: do not like noise.

- - Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Arborist

Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss.

"Don Staples" wrote in message news: [e-mail]...

[symplastless]

Shigos suggestions for the arboriculture.

1. Establish a strong meaningful code of ethics. Violate it and you are out. 2. Base certification on the ability to perform at specific high level. Violate the rules and you are out. 3. Develop levels for arboriculture based on education and abilities. 5. Establish a pre-arboriculture core education program that will include some biology, chemistry, physics, soils, microbiology and other natural system subjects.
2. Develop better textbooks to serve the levels of arboriculture, and core education programs. 7. Increase the number of teachers capable of teaching biology, chemistry and physics in arboriculture classes. 8. Have more outdoor workshops where professors and workers connect, communicate and touch all parts of trees and soils. 9. Have articles in trade journals written by people who are not selling products. Reduce the number of info-materials. 10. Develop workplace education courses for people who are active, and often very successful, in arboriculture but lack a scientific background. Many of these people are very intelligent, but they either left school early or were forced out of science courses were taught. Give them another chance. Shigo on DVD

[D. Staples]

What arborist societies are you a member of, Keslick? ISA? What gives you the ability to call your self a tree biologist when you have never studied biology? Other than riding the coat tails of the good doctor, what have you done?

Never trust a so called tree biologist that never studied biology.

[symplastless]

"D. Staples" wrote in

First, I am proof that you do not have to belong to a society to understand trees. Nor if you do belong, does it mandate, that you have an understanding of trees.

Second, I studied tree biology under a professor of tree biology. Who wrote the book NEW TREE BIOLOGY

Now back to my question. Don Staples please define yourself. Who are you, what are you?

I can only assume, and I don't like to do that. Who are you. Other than what Billy has pointed out, please define yourself. If you can't you may have a serious problem.

[symplastless]

This is your explanation of what logging is. Your wasting our time.

[symplastless]

I am Toni Gee a close associate of Dr. Shigo. I know John very well. He as well as I are too busy out in the field studying and observing trees and their associates. You seem to have one mission and that is to waste our time. We are serious about what we do. You prove to me that you belong to an association and know nothing about trees. Please don't waste our time any more.

[symplastless]

I am a member of The Allegheny Defense Project.

find their (young people) cause to be just and honest. I do not care for the way people try to misguide the younger generation out of the ignorance of tree biology. That is why I ask you to define yourself. Are you a biostitute Don Staples?

[Joe]

John, have you or have not taken COLLEGE LEVEL COURSES on biology, trees? Any college level courses in natural resource departments?

If you've taken several short courses (a few days each) on arborist subjects- and you have a lot of experience doing practical arborist work- that's real nice- but, in most parts of the country- you need a college degree plus experience to practice the arborist profession- at least a 2 year degree in most states.

You can learn some good stuff in a few days- but calling yourself a TREE BIOLOGIST is overdoing it. A biologist is usually someone with at least a masters degree in biology from an accredited university.

If you stick to your actual credentials, and stop exaggerating your knowledge and ability- perhaps Don Staples will get off your back, otherwise he won't.

Joe

[D. Staples]

Fuck off, crotch rot, your in over your head.

[D. Staples]

why do you and "the tree biologist" waste our time on alt.forestry? None of you are foresters, none of your are degreed, and none certified. So, Toni, what are your qualifications?

[William Wagner]

I good example of why god made Killfiles .

Bill

Notice to just Wreck Gardens.