You ask a simple question to complex people, accept their advice or not,
but they were of the good disposition to take the time to grace you with
a response. If it is a question of 'tude, then you will find these
gracious folks can become hard as nails, if dissed. You will reap what
you sow. Good luck.
True, but being advised to "google", go to a library, or look it up in
the group archives pretty much kills the conversation for one looking for
Except for the arguing part........
Again on this note you asked much more, which was;
> Does it work? How much work is it? How often are you supposed to
> Do you keep it wet? Do you get enough compost to justify the work?
I think that's the whole point.. It's a pile of questions that most can
be answered with a little web browsing. Personally I check several sites
and gain info that way before I ask the group as I don't want to waste
their time writing how-tos on things that are covered everywhere.
Now, take conflicting information however such as to wet the pile. Say
some place says to wet it and some other says nothing of it.. Then I'd
end up coming in and asking the group.
For what ever reason you keep shortening your question however, mayhaps
in an attempt to make it seem that you did not originally ask so much.
Really no clue, but whatever.
As for the answer to your short question.. Yes I do, and sure does.
If I may, I think Billy said it best in another reply when they said
"You will reap what you sow". There's no point in coming back with such
At any rate, I digress, as this thread has turned into quite the fracas.
However, I will agree that the canned spam reply to google or goto the
library that many people are doing now is growing old.. Almost as bad as
some replies to tree questions.. Almost.. ;)
Ok, enough rambling.. Compost, it's useful.. Toss in grass clippings and
leaves in layers and be done with it. Have fun.. :)
I consider this and other topical groups to be DISCUSSION groups. Not dry
how to lectures, or dissertations by the overly educated.
I come here to talk to people. Get a little information here and a little
there. And to hear each person's individual experience and assessment.
Web browsing is important, too. And I do that on a regular basis. I have
just found that it is so slanted that it is almost unbelievable. Example:
I have googled for reviews of particular electronics devices that I KNOW are
popular, and there are no reviews available. Either it's a bad product, and
they don't post reviews, or there's no one actually doing the reviews and
reporting them. Or there's just a couple of reviews, and they are so long
and glowing that I suspect they were made up by someone in the marketing
Internet is just like the news. You can take what comes down the pipe and
swallow it, or you can ask questions of people who've been there, done it,
for a slightly more informative answer. I don't consider, "Look it up in
Google, you lazy bum" to be an answer. At least not in a real time
And to those who consider us who don't know everything (as they do) to be a
bother, there's always filters.
Perhaps you haven't noticed, but virtually everyone on usenet is
anonymous, so assuming that any of us knows what we are talking about,
or is telling the truth, is a badge of gullibility. I have it on good
authority, for example, that cat daddy is actually Hillary Clinton, and
who can believe what he/she says?
At least with a published book, or possibly with some credentialed web
sites, you know who is giving the information; whether you want to
believe it is another question. But certainly Wikipedia is rarely
considered an accurate source, as in many cases, anyone with a bone to
pick, or an urge to play games, can alter an article, making black seem
I read some newsgroups, and have found some valuable information, but I
have always been careful to validate the information, or at least to
apply what I know relevant to the issue to vet the information. As a
retired lawyer, I read with amusement many of the postings on what are
legal issues, and I would estimate that fewer than five percent of the
postings are anywhere near accurate.
Certainly if you read a given group long enough, you can often judge
whether a given poster knows something about a given subject, or whether
they are just making noise.
So I think those who have posted that you should have done some research
before posting a rather open-ended question were giving good advice. If
you found conflicting information in your research, or were unable to
find an answer to a specific question, that would be the time to use
usenet, and we wouldn't have the spectacle of this lengthy thread that
has so little relevant information.
This site is an exception to the usual conviviality found on many
usenet sites. To earn your entry into the clique, you have to
initiate or agree with some long-winded political screed. If you ask
a question(s), you will be greeted with the hostility by this clique
-- but not by all herein -- as you have been. They assume many
things: e.g. that you didn't go to Google, that you didn't do any
other research. They are predisposed to question motives, not to
engage in friendly discussions of gardening.
There are some helpful and just plain nice folks here, but also a few
self-appointed neighborhood bullies. Lurk and learn, but enter at
As if a supporter of Dixie Lee Ray has anything to teach others. Tell us
again how acid rain, ozone depletion, and global warming are natural
phenomenon and not man made. You and Ann make a nice couple. I won't say
a couple of what. You imply a conspiracy but don't explain that when
people call you on your bull-shit, you wrap yourselves in the garb of
martyrs. Dixie Lee Ray is mental and Bush belongs behind bars. Steve
won't understand composting until it suits him. Screw 'em.
Your concise explanation is very helpful. But, I have been through it in
other newsgroups. I still disdain cliques as much as I did in my
adolescence, and find them to be made up of the same people, only older. By
now, I have pared some of the most obvious fools,argumentative types,
lawyers, trolls, snot nosed egotistical rude teens, and overmedicated people
with too much time on their hands and a keyboard.
I'll stick around and pop in and out when I have questions, and keep
refining my list. Thanks for the help.
<snip the shit for crying out loud>
Has anyone gotten around to telling you not to use cooked or dressed
food scraps in your compost pile? Raw foods only, vegetable matter only,
no meat, no fats, no salad dressings, etc.
Why not? I've composted lots of things including lots of cooked food and
also a dead chook (chicken in US speak) and had no problems at all. Someone
I know swears that fat is a real worm attractant and that worms writhe and
gorge themselves on fat from a commercial frying machine. Can't see it
myself but he swears that it's true.
I have no doubt that worms writhe around in fats since they writhe
around in everything, but to my knowledge they do not consume it. It
compromises the compost to add meat and fats, as these don't break down
at the same rate as vegetable matter and will spoil the end product in
its entirety. It also attracts competing insects which can crowd out a
worm colony and defeat the purpose of the whole thing.
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