You left part out.
While scarifying is an alternative, it is not necessary, any more than
stratification. It may influence germination, but in nature, it doesn't
happen that much, scarification that is. Nursery's stratify black walnut,
but seldom scarify, just as they stratify other seed. Particularly in
From experience, not from the book, ran a black walnut operation in
Missouri, and a nursery worker/observer in Texas. Stratification is a
process used in nursery production, not in nature, natural effects of
climate do the same without impute from man, except in the deep south. Try
thinking about nursery processes instead of making judgment calls.
Sorry, but some things are best relied upon from the book.
Not many care what one claims to have done in the past that they can't
prove anymore than barrroom anecdotal drivel... folks can and do claim
all sorts of miraculous feats on teh net but unless they can offer
actual proof it's just liquor tawkin'. All the sites from educational
institutions that I read say that black walnut must be stratified to
germinate... I've never done it myself but I believe edu sites. I
ain't gonna spoon feed yoose on this one, look it up your ownselfs. I
don't like walnuts anyways, pistachio rulz!
Sorry, and your wrong. I have been a forester for 40 years. The process is
the same, you said scarification is to remove the husk, wrong, it is to
reduce the thickness of the shell. Moisture and freezing does that in
nature, stratification as well. But in a nursery, you will note the
following phrase, stratification is necessary in the deep south.
I don't need to look it up, junior, I live it.
Sorry, and you are wrong.
Sorry, and you're wrong.
when compelled to argue with the know it all guy-0-mite
it is important not to allow your point to be negated or
reduced in it's effectiveness with improper word utilization.
be precise and make use of accepted standards.
1: the act or process of scarifying
1: to make scratches or small cuts in (as the skin) <scarify an area for
2: to lacerate the feelings of
3: to break up and loosen the surface of (as a field or road)
4: to cut or soften the wall of (a hard seed) to hasten germination
You leave people to think I have never studied biology. I have studied
The story of my professor is here:
Their web site is here:
Where is your story Don Staples? Please stop being nasty and stop saying
nasty things to people on this list. You are the only person I know who
talks the way you do. You are an exception to the forestry industry. Your
behavior is out of line with many fine foresters. You are surely not an
example of what a forester is.
Ignorance of tree biology has been, and still is, the major cause of tree
problems worldwide. Shigo 1999
You are living off Dr. Shigo, and trying to use his education and reputation
to augment yours. Here is your education, not one biology class listed at
any reputable university.
Beware of so called tree biologist that have never studied biology.
Don I am living off of an understanding of tree biology greatly in part as
a direct result of the teachings of Dr. Alex L. Shigo. What is it that you
are trying to say?
Also I have learned a great deal about the ecological stages of trees by
many other people by reading what they have written and by walking in old
growth forest with such an understanding in mind.
If you look here you will find articles by Dr. Alex L. Shigo
Also a great deal of the tree biology workshops I attended addressed many
issues dealing with the biology of trees. That is the biology I have and am
Be aware that Black Walnut is not condusive to other plants grown near it.
That means no vegetable garden and most flowering plants. If you want
Black Walnut, fine, but don't expect anything else to grow around it. Look
up: juglone or
I lived in a house that had one Black Walnut and a couple of English
Walnut trees. You're right - absolutely nothing would grow under the
Black Walnut. We ended up pouring a nice patio around it. The
English Walnuts weren't much better, but I did manage to have a nice
garden of Calla Lilies under one of them. I was certain to try to
keep any falling leaves from the tree, gathered and raked up however!
i have a Chinese dogwood as understory to my bigger black
walnut & it's doing very well. the walnut is around 40 years,
& the dogwood is about 30. they are less than 3' apart.
OTOH, there used to be an apple tree near the walnut & as the
crown began to overhang the apple's area, it died back. i
recently cut it down. and the blueberries are also dying back,
but that could be because they're in pretty heavy shade from
the sugar maples, as well as the effects of juglone.
the younger black walnut is in my 'winter' pasture & i *wish*
it would kill the weeds that grow under it :p
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