On 11/25/07 10:11 PM, in article fPq2j.3510$ firstname.lastname@example.org,
I really want to add a couple of garden benches/seats, maybe one under an
arbor with a great vine climbing over it. (Something lush and green with
wonderful scent - in NH - yah right)
I'd love a spot for a real rock garden to grow some of the sweet alpines I
see at the nurseries.
Scott Hildenbrand wrote:
I wanted to put nice tiers held by really good dressed stone blocks on
my back terrace, maybe 30' or more of it. I've dragged my feet on that
because of the expense of the stone and don't want to rip something up I
may not be able to maintain, plus a couple trees are in the way and
should clear them out but hate to do it. Of late, I've been thinking of
planting the terrace as it is, clearing, planting and mulching a little
at a time.
The other thing is that I have always wanted to experiment with plant
propagation and hybridization, the old-fashioned way, not with genetic
manipulation, wish I'd taken more courses in botany and biology in college.
I would love to do more with lilacs, heirloom roses, trees and shrubs,
have been working with roses lately with many disappointments and
failures just getting them to root, have tried several different
methods. I would like to cross pollinate roses, but you have to do
hundreds of seedlings and have a place to keep them; some take a couple
years to come into bloom, same with the lilacs.
Of course, you can buy all that stuff, but I've always been fascinated
with the work of Luther Burbank, Mendel, that Canadian woman who worked
on lilacs, and a man whose name I can't remember who worked on getting
higher yields on food crops before they knew the science of altering
genes. He did his work in Mexico. It is very tedious and
One of my big regrets in life is that I have found unusual trees and
things growing out in rural areas in ditches, etc., and didn't have the
means with me, strength and motivation to dig them out of the mess and
drag them home to see what they would do. Someone would know what some
of the things I've seen were.
I'm always on the lookout for odd mutations, wish I'd saved dandelion
seeds that grew a fuzzy top like a cockscomb lol and a viola that
crossed with the johnny jump ups. I got a light yellow one with a
pretty sky blue border one year, wish I'd been motivated to try and save
the seeds from that.
My garden is the way it is at this time. I'm grateful for coming
into a few friends that had similar and contrasting ideas of just what
a garden can be.
Current issue seems to be devoted to perennials and more pines as it
requires lest hand work. Luckily my better half is a Swedish garden
devotee. (likes to weed;))
Always wanted a small green house but got by. Current interest is
starting to center around how do we give all these Japanese maples away.
Also will the leaves be down for a fall cleanup after tonights wind and
rain. Who knows?
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Sounds like a fairly steep grade to it.. It's hard to find something to
do with areas like that..
Know the feeling about cutting out trees. I'd removed some younger ones
when we moved in.. I could have left them but for them, it'd have been
bad so they had to go.. Doesn't sound the same for yours. Perhaps they
can be worked in?
Price on stone has kept me from doing quite a few things.. I'd love to
edge these cheapy pre-formed ponds I have beside the side entry but for
now I'm holding off, trying to think of a really good budget way of
dealing with it.. It'll come to me in time.
Didn't you say that you were getting into lilies? I'd say that is by far
the best place to start. Friend of mine has a Day Lily farm and has
thousands.. He's registered quite a few in his and his wifes name. Says
it's fairly easy to do.
Lilies are like this, but not as bad. Nice smaller scale and blooms in
first to second year or so depending on how well the cross is.
It is indeed hard work, but you've got to admire the payoff. In a way,
science has taken the fun out of it..
Hmmm, isn't there a plant that scientists did which glows? For some
reason I recall hearing about it.
Wow.. Those all sound like interesting finds.. Can't say that I've seen
anything like that, or perhaps I had but didn't have the sense to pay
Older I get the more open my eyes tend to be, if even a little more
tired.. Oh well.. At least I've got the sense to see.
Scott Hildenbrand wrote:
Rather than go on and on and on like I'm known to do here and elsewhere,
let's go terrace, lilies, and mutations & trees.
The terrace is about 45 degrees, oh maybe 5' high. I've got to get the
roses going on the top first, then worry about the other. My son did
offer to do it for me, but I think it's best to get a better handle on
what I've already got going. 3 iron things to prime and spray, one an
old iron fence in 3 sections I'm planning to use for a border on a small
area I dug and planted with hosta lilies & a couple plants my sister
gave me. The plant stand my friend sold me for $15, had to have that
welded for 20 something, used steel wool and a brush on my drill until I
ran out of patience. What is the third? Oh 3 pretty pieces of iron
filigree decorative pieces for something I picked up, $30 at Habitat
Restore. Only about six inches tall, very heavy, and 24-30" long? I
had to shove it under the couch lol. That will make a half hexagon for
a rose border filled in with some flowers.
Daylilies would be practical for the terrace, maybe even better the way
it is, once they multiply, there shouldn't be too much maintenance.
I'll go easy on those. I've looked at umpteen photos of them and don't
fall in love with too many and would want them in clusters. Everybody
grows Stella so I don't want it. I prefer the orientals (they like sun
all day or they bend) but daylilies are more practical and bloom longer,
have read and saved info on propagating them. Maybe see what my
fall-planted ones do, Jedi Free Spirit, got a freebie Baja going, and
start with open-pollinated seeds. I ordered a Mrs. Backhouse & couple
other odd ones (don't think they are daylilies) from Old House Gardens,
will see if they come up in the spring.
The mutations. I don't see many which is why it came to mind, probably
have missed many odd things in my life. One of the oddest ones was a
small tree growing in an unpaved area behind a fast-food type
restaurant. It gnawed away at me, should I ask if I can dig it up, too
busy with kids and too tired during that window of time. My memory of
it is now dim, it was probably not a mutation, but it had the prettiest
markings on the bark going up the young trunk, partially circular like
at intervals, thought what a pretty walking stick it would make (after I
made sure I had a couple going for living stock), just wish I knew what
it was and had a camera at the time.
I can work around the trees, one is an old apple tree I planted in the
70's at the top of the terrace and back a few feet. The other is an
apricot that grew funny because it wanted more sun. Both are taking up
room that could be better used for something else or better stock.
Nothing like a Jonathan, and I didn't see any in my Gurney's catalog.
This is a Jonadel. Apricot is a standard Moorpark, get fruit about once
every five years because it blooms too early & frosts keep them from
fruiting plus another pollinator might help. It has to self-pollinate
well because I can't think of any around here, and when it does produce,
there are usually a lot. I hate to cut down otherwise good trees.
Your case is different because you have several of the same kind and
more sq feet.
Did it again. Too long :-). I'll be on the lookout for more mutations,
interesting cross-pollinations, sports on roses and anything unusual
that would look natural for my zone.
Long as you're making an effort to even have a garden.. ;)
I tire of seeing stark balconies with nothing more than a chair and table..
Did a google image search a few nights ago for rooftop gardens (have two
flat roofs on this home, pondering planter box borders), wow, alot of
creative work there.
I always thought that I would like a "little" more space, maybe an
or two. But at this time, I think .33 will do very nicely, Thank you!
A pond? well I tried a small one. Worked all day digging it, and then
all of the next day getting the rocks and plants all just right. The
day I went to admire my work. Well, the rackety goons (who called
them that? I love it) decided they would rearrange things to suit them
selves. Later they ate the fish. So now I have a bog which I enjoy.
And the RGs come and make artistic swirls in the pine needles.
A shed, I wanted a garden shed and my DH built one a couple of years
ago. So it isn't that either.
Plants......I ALWAYS want more plants, but I have roses, I have ferns.
I have 10 varieties of Heuchera. Shrubs, native plants, it's a
I do not need More Plants. for sure. But if there is a square foot of
I will fill it up.
So now I have to think of something after all this rambling.
Well I would like a couple of bantie hens, or maybe a rooster and a
hen. But that will be for when I get old(er).
Or maybe a pair of little goats.................
The space is nice, but I'd found with the space the time to upkeep seems
to grow exponentially.
LOL.. I'd say too cute, but I'm sure it was frustrating at the time.. ;)
I need one of those.. I've got a small section by the house which is
unused space, plan on building an L shaped fence of sorts out of lattice
to close it in out of view so I can dump tools and such in it. Small
enclosure shed inside the area for now.
Full garden shed will come in due time. Remaining budget goes to the
inside of the house, so will shift back to the outside for major things
Naaa.. And thanks for bringing up Heuchera.. It just made my wish list! ;)
Shhhh.. That space to the left of you is awful bare... *chuckles*
A couple years ago someone posted a photo of a wire globe filled with
hens and chickens. I don't recall who. I have seen them in catalogs but
they are very pricey. I wonder if he christmas lights in globes could
suffice? I think the framework is plastic and it wouldn't rust. I bought
a round pot of hens and chickens the other day at our Lowes just in case
the mood hits me to build this momma. I have old hangars with shredded
something in them I can stuff it with/ Think this would work?
The first thing that popped into my head when I read this was a pile of
chickens in an odd shaped pen.. o.O
Not sure if the plastic would hold up, but you know, there are cheap
metal baskets everywhere to be found.. Try going to a Freds, Dollar
Tree, Biglots or something of the likes to see what they have.
Another thought would be the three tier hanging baskets, like the one in
my kitchen holding the onions.
Might be able to grow something in it.. Dang.. Gave myself a good idea..
Got to try some star sedum in it. ;)
At any rate, it may work.. So long as the price isn't too bad be worth a
try.. But my opinion is, mo cheaper, mo better.. It's all good on a budget.
I planted some Hens & Chicks in an old blue speckle enamel colander I got
for a nickel at a garage sale, looked pretty cute sitting on the back porch
by the kitchen door. I also picked up a HUGE (20+ inches across the top)
wooden salad bowl that had one hair line crack in it for a quarter. I
drilled a few small holes in the bottom and planted a clump of Ladies Mantle
in it. Worked great, I had the bowl sitting on two bricks to keep it off the
ground and the thing never did rot out. I have no idea what kind of wood it
Good ideas.. :) My whole point on my post was about thinking outside the
box and using less than ordinary things as planters that can be had for
It's good to see that others follow the same route.
Food for thought.. Cheap clear plastic glasses, imaging three of varying
sizes in the center of a table with flowers growing out of the top. Can
see the dirt and everything.. Now wouldn't that be a unique centerpiece.
All you'd have to do is drill a single hole in the bottom and place them
into a platter.
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