I'm helping some friends put in a small vineyard, and I thought a few
Arizona grape vines would be a nice addition to the mix. However, I'm
unable to find a source for these vines. In fact, most of the people
I've spoken with at local (Phoenix, AZ) nurseries have never even heard
of such a grape.
Anyone know of a source for these vines? I'm quite willing to start the
vines from seeds if that's my only option.
I finally found a nursery in Payson, Arizona that has them. I'm not
sure where you are located or if a drive to Payson is an option, but
the nursery is "Plant Fair Nursery, Inc.". They are listed in the phone
If that's not an option and you are extremely patient, I could send you
a few seeds in 2 or 3 years :-)
grapes don't come true from seeds. You need cuttings. Wine grapes need
to attain at least 21% sugar unless you are planing on making sparkling
wine, where you only need 16% to 17% sugar in the juice. Before you run
out and plant a few acres, you may want to run this idea by an
agriculture advisor. Good luck:-)
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Really? Amazing that somehow grape vines survived and evolved for many
millennia without any human intervention. Grape vines can be started
from seed... in fact, some grape varieties are difficult to start from
cuttings and must be started from seeds. But I guess I must be wrong,
because as the self-appointed grape vine expert, you are taking the
time to correct me in my error.
I wish you would have shared your insight with the nursery I bought the
vine from, as it certainly is not grafted and appears to have been
started from seed. Had they known this was impossible, I'm sure they
wouldn't have tried it.
Thanks and regards,
Oh my, what to do? This could be a lot of fun but I'm still tired from
the harvest, and besides I have some bose-einstein condensate on the
The postulated proposition (and supported by a multi-billion dollar
American wine industry [for those of you interested in fact based
reality]) is "grapes don't come true from seeds".
Now let me direct your attention to the word "true" in the last
sentence. True, as in conforming to a type, standard, or pattern. If you
are indifferent to the character of your vine, then by all means,
propagate your vine from seeds. European varietals were arrived at in
this fashion. There was a great hodge poge of them until the end of the
nineteenth century when American tourists, mildew and phylloxera,
decimated European vineyards. When the vines were re-established, only
the best vines were kept, in order to raise the over all quality of the
resulting wines. If you plant Cabernet Sauvignon seeds (for example),
you will get grape vines alright but probably not ones that look or
taste like its' parent (monecious little buggers). So if any ol'
n'import quoi of a vine will do, then go for it. Plant seeds.
My memory, ever imperfect and constantly humiliating me, recalled that
the endeavor in question was the planting of a native American vineyard,
along the lines of planting Concord or Catawba. If these are to be
solely ornamental, go for it. Be sure to water them for the first five
years, after that, if there is any ground water, the roots will find it.
However, if the vines are a culinary effort, get cuttings and the vines
will come true.
Greg G., you come across a little edgy. Are you getting enough fiber?
The subject of this thread is Vitis arizonica, not Pinot Noir. Define
"true" in the context of the lowly Arizona grape. There is absolutely
no reason to constrain oneself to propogating cuttings of this plant.
Seeds should be fine.
Sorry if I seem edgy, I just get a little bent of out shape when self
appointed experts like yourself jump in with advice that is neither
relevant nor helpful.
Greg, I do not consider myself an expert on anything, except what I
like. I was just trying to be helpful. I think I explained my reasoning.
You want seeds? Let there be seeds.
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Canyon Grape, Vitis arizonica, is a wild grape that grows in canyons and
riparian areas in our AZ mid elevation deserts around the Verde valley. You
might try a nursery in Cottonwood or Clarkdale or maybe Sedona. Or try
Watters nursery in Prescott. But I suspect you may have hike the canyons in
April or May when it's green and blooming - see photo at
I have several Vitis Arizonica plants in my backyard.
They grow wild and need heavy prunning to keep them under control.
I wish I could ship some plants or cuttings to you but the stringent
Agricultural regulations of Arizona won't allow me to do so.
However I can share some seeds from last year (2014)should you still be
Let me know if I could be of any assitance in your project.
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