I've got some old daylilies that keep coming back in my raspberry patch and I don't know what to do about them. I can't dig them out without uprooting all the raspberry canes. Although I've always had an organic garden I'd like to try hitting them with Roundup but I am wondering if it will kill the raspberries as well, since they are both spreading plants and completely intertwined.
Troll
Get a foam paintbrush and apply a little Roundup concentrate to the daylily leaves with that. Don't get any on the raspberries. I do that with dandelions or perennial grasses that come up in the middle of other plants.
There are a few herbicides that will be released in the soil when the affected plant dies and poison the surrounding plants (mostly broadleaf weed killer, I think), but Roundup is not one of 'em.
Bob
Thanks. My understanding was that daylilies use a fair amount of water and so I assume that they are competing for resources. It's a very small raspberry patch, about 8 by 8 feet, and these are not pretty flowering daylilies because they don't have the room. Instead it's just the foliage interspersed with the canes. I was just worried that the herbicide would somehow migrate to the raspberries because they are so intertwined and couldn't find an answer to that on the Roundup web site.
Why do you consider this a problem?
Do the raspberries seem to be suffering from their proximity with the daylilies?
And how much larger are raspberry bushes than day lillies?
You poison dandelions? Lord Almighty child, what's wrong with you?
Dandelion
A very nutritious food, 100g of the raw leaves contain about 2.7g. protein, 9.2g. carbohydrate, 187mg Calcium, 66mg phosphorus, 3.1mg iron,
76mg sodium, 397mg potassium, 36mg magnesium, 14000iu vitamin A, 0.19mg vitamin B1, 0.26mg vitamin B2, 35mg vitamin C[173]. Root - raw or cooked[5, 9, 12, 183]. Bitter. A turnip-like flavour[159]. Flowers - raw or cooked[102, 159]. A rather bitter flavour[K], the unopened flower buds can be used in fritters[183] and they can also be preserved in vinegar and used like capers[7]. Both the leaves and the roots are used to flavour herbal beers and soft drinks such as 'Dandelion and Burdock'[238]. The roots of 2 year old plants are harvested in the autumn, dried and roasted to make a very good coffee substitute[2, 4, 5, 12, 54, 159]. It is caffeine-free[213]. A pleasant tea is made from the flowers[12, 102]. They are also used to make wine - all green parts should be removed when making wine to prevent a bitter flavour[238]. The leaves and the roots can also be used to make tea.Medicinal Uses
Aperient; Cholagogue; Depurative; Diuretic; Hepatic; Laxative; Stomachic; Tonic; Warts.
The dandelion is a commonly used herbal remedy. It is especially effective and valuable as a diuretic because it contains high levels of potassium salts and therefore can replace the potassium that is lost from the body when diuretics are used[238]. All parts of the plant, but especially the root, are slightly aperient, cholagogue, depurative, strongly diuretic, hepatic, laxative, stomachic and tonic[4, 7, 9, 21,
54, 165, 176, 222, 238]. The root is also experimentally cholagogue, hypoglycaemic and a weak antibiotic against yeast infections[222]. The dried root has a weaker action[222]. The roots can be used fresh or dried and should be harvested in the autumn when 2 years old[4]. The leaves are harvested in the spring when the plant is in flower and can be dried for later use[9]. A tea can be made from the leaves or, more commonly, from the roots[213]. The plant is used internally in the treatment of gall bladder and urinary disorders, gallstones, jaundice, cirrhosis, dyspepsia with constipation, oedema associated with high blood pressure and heart weakness, chronic joint and skin complaints, gout, eczema and acne[238]. The plant has an antibacterial action, inhibiting the growth of Staphylococcus aureus, Pneumococci, Meningococci, Bacillus dysenteriae, B. typhi, C. diphtheriae, Proteus etc[176]. The latex contained in the plant sap can be used to remove corns, warts and verrucae[7]. The latex has a specific action on inflammations of the gall bladder and is also believed to remove stones in the liver[7]. A tea made from the leaves is laxative[222].
My husband used to try to poison dandelions, but I threw a fit until he let me remove them by hand. And then he discovered dandelion wine. Now, not only does he love dandelions, but he even leaves the very biggest and best ones in the yard so that next year's crop will be better!
--S.
Youngsters nowadays......
Why poison daylilies? All parts of the common daylily are edible.
What causes overkill? Under-think.
In America today you can murder land for private profit. You can leave the corpse for all to see, and nobody calls the cops. ~Paul Brooks, The Pursuit of Wilderness, 1971
Santos hermano, if food doesn't come wrapped in plastic with a price tag on it, these young'uns would starve to death. Food and medicine, and they can't see it.
Blind Trust in the system that is primarily capital oriented. Taught in our education system as best practice. If the idea that food is the best medicine ever hits the TV many capital ventures would rot away. If food is the best med how do we get the best food. Fresh is a lot more than use by date. My answer small commerce. Small is beautiful obviously had a small audience. Schmacher (sp) thanks for the vision.
Bill
Roundup won't migrate, as has been said. However, it is pretty hard to kill any bulb plant with any pesticide as they have large reserves. Is it possible to just keep trimming (cut off leaves at ground level) the day lilies? After a few trims they will use all their food stores and die. It may be more effective than the roundup (which, BTW, I use for control of invasives).
....tain't gonna hit the airwaves in any big way, won't make any impact anyway.......
Hey, my friend. Is the sun shining? My boys turned me on to a happy dancing song......makes happy happy feets and happy happy insides...........
?While I dance I cannot judge, I cannot hate, I cannot separate myself from life. I can only be joyful and whole. That is why I dance.?
Hans Bos
"A man may esteem himself happy when that which is his food is also his medicine." -Henry David Thoreau
Once again we find wisdom in the truths spoken by the Elders.
Is it possible to "uneducate" the masses and instill any common sense in the vacuum that would remain?
I see our monsatano rep has shown up in this thread to try and quiet any doubts that may have been sown about poison. He's also going to work on Tim, who appears to be a possible initiate into the dark side.
Charlie (two quotes for the price of one today)
"Let thy food be thy medicine and thy medicine be thy food."---- Hippocrates (460-377 B.C.)
Why not just cut the foliage of the day lillies to the ground? They'll die back on their own, I would think.
Kate
In article , Rick wrote:
CENSORED News - The Lethal Dangers of "Roundup" Made by Monsanto June 8, 2007 in Agriculture, CENSORED, Cancer, Crops, Eating Can Kill You, Food, Genetically Engineered, Genetically Modified, Glyphosate, Health, Insecticide, Monsanto, Pesticide, Roundup | Tags: CHEE YOKE HEONG, Eric Seralini, Genetically Modified food, GM food, GMO, Lethal, miscarriage, premature birth, Rick Relyea, Robert Belle, Transgenic, weed killer, weedkiller
New Evidence Establishes Dangers of Monsanto's Roundup Weed Killer Sources: Third World Resurgence, No. 176, April 2005 Title: "New Evidence of Dangers of Roundup Weedkiller" Author: Chee Yoke Heong Faculty Evaluator: Jennifer While Student Researchers: Peter McArthur and Lani Ready New studies from both sides of the Atlantic reveal that Roundup, the most widely used weed killer in the world, poses serious human health threats. More than 75 percent of genetically modified (GM) crops are engineered to tolerate the absorption of Roundup; it eliminates all plants that are not Genetically Modified. Monsanto Inc., the major engineer of GMO crops, is also the producer of Roundup. Thus, while Roundup was formulated as a weapon against weeds, it has also become a prevalent ingredient within most of our food crops. Three recent studies show that Roundup, which is used by farmers and home gardeners, is not the safe product we have been led to trust. A group of scientists led by biochemist Professor Gilles-Eric Seralini from the University of Caen in France found that human placental cells are very sensitive to Roundup at concentrations even lower than those currently used in agricultural application. An epidemiological study of Ontario farming populations showed that exposure to glyphosate, the key ingredient in Roundup, nearly doubled the risk of late miscarriages. Professor Gilles-Eric Seralini and his team decided to research the effects of the Roundup herbicide on human placenta cells. Their study confirmed the toxicity of glyphosate, as after only eighteen hours of exposure at low concentrations, large proportions of human placenta began to die. Professor Gilles-Eric Seralini suggests that this may explain the high levels of premature births and miscarriages observed among female farmers using glyphosate/Roundup. Professor Gilles-Eric Seralini's team further compared the toxic effects of the Roundup formula (the most common commercial formulation of glyphosate and chemical additives) to the isolated active ingredient, glyphosate. They found that the toxic effect increases in the presence of Roundup 'adjuvants' or additives. These additives thus have a facilitating role, rendering Roundup twice as toxic as its isolated active ingredient, glyphosate. Another study, released in April 2005 by the University of Pittsburgh, suggests that Roundup is a danger to other life-forms and non-target organisms. Biologist Rick Relyea found that Roundup is extremely lethal to amphibians. In what is considered one of the most extensive studies on the effects of pesticides on nontarget organisms in a natural setting, Biologist Rick Relyea found that Roundup caused a 70 percent decline in amphibian biodiversity and an 86 percent decline in the total mass of tadpoles. Leopard frog tadpoles and gray tree frog tadpoles were nearly eliminated. In 2002, a scientific team led by Robert Belle of the National Center for Scientific Research (CNRS) biological station in Roscoff, France showed that Roundup activates one of the key stages of cellular division that can potentially lead to cancer. Robert Belle and his team have been studying the impact of glyphosate formulations on sea urchin cells for several years. The team has recently demonstrated in Toxicological Science (December
2004) that a "control point" for DNA damage was affected by Roundup, while glyphosate alone had no effect. "We have shown that it's a definite risk factor, but we have not evaluated the number of cancers potentially induced, nor the time frame within which they would declare themselves," Robert Belle acknowledges. There is, indeed, direct evidence that glyphosate inhibits an important process called RNA transcription in animals, at a concentration well below the level that is recommended for commercial spray application. There is also new research that shows that brief exposure to commercial glyphosate causes liver damage in rats, as indicated by the leakage of intracellular liver enzymes. The research indicates that glyphosate and its surfactant in Roundup were found to act in synergy to increase damage to the liver. UPDATE BY CHEE YOKE HEONG Roundup Ready weed killer is one of the most widely used weed killers in the world for crops and backyard gardens. Roundup, with its active ingredient glyphosate, has long been promoted as safe for humans and the environment while effective in killing weeds. It is therefore significant when recent studies show that Roundup is not as safe as its promoters claim. This has major consequences, as the bulk of commercially planted genetically modified crops are designed to tolerate glyphosate (and especially Roundup), and independent field data already shows a trend of increasing use of the herbicide. This goes against industry claims that herbicide use will drop and that these plants will thus be more "environment-friendly." Now it has been found that there are serious health effects, too. Their story therefore aimed to highlight these new findings and their implications to health and the environment. Not surprisingly, Monsanto came out refuting some of the findings of the studies mentioned in the article. What ensued was an open exchange between Dr. Rick Relyea and Monsanto, whereby the former stood his grounds. Otherwise, to my knowledge, no studies have since emerged on Roundup. For more information look to the following sources: Professor Gilles-Eric, snipped-for-privacy@ibfa.unicaen.fr Biosafety Information Center, biosafety-info.net Institute of Science in Society, i-sis.org.uk CENSORED NEWS - THE LETHAL DANGERS OF "ROUNDUP" MADE BY MONSANTO
Come on...I didn't even post today, how can I get in poo?
Just gifted I suppose.
Poo is a good thing to be in, my friend! ;-) This here organic gardening thing is a "Dirty Job" (credit to Mike Rowe).
I was referencing Rick nospam, who was trying to convince you that osmocote is an "organic" product, who shows up every spring and berates those of us who oppose the use of poisons, chemferts, and GM crops/seeds. It's his job, I think.
Heh heh....Billy and I sense a turning in your thoughts,my friend, a willingness to consider the "dark side" (as portrayed by "them") .....we'll keep at ya until you break. ;-)
Charlie
?Stopped they must be; on this all depends. Only a fully-trained Organic Gardener, with the Force as his ally, will conquer Monsatano and his Emperor.? --- Yoda
lol...Thanks.
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