Agreed. I'm sure my lo-carb bud Ruth (RPM1) will probably jump in but
the secret to low-carb diets is this:
When you eliminate the carbs, you're also eliminating a huge vector for
high fat, high calorie junk and this may be why some people lose weight
on the diet. No bread means no butter or high-fat, high-cal spreads, no
Fettucini Alfredo or other cream sauces for the pasta, no butter and
sour cream on the potatoes, no cake or sweets, and so forth and so on.
The basic equation still boils down to total calories consumed vs. total
Pat Kiewicz wrote:
|| Ignoramus13229 said:
|||| Side comment #2:
|||| I have kind of a problem with the whole low-carb thing. Limiting
|||| high-glycemic foods is sensible. Avoiding highly processed foods
|||| is sensible. Eating a lot of meat from grain-fed, confined
|||| animals and
|||| the wrong sorts of fats isn't. Someone close to me went on the
|||| original Atkins diet. He developed kidney stones and ended up not
|||| so much later with inoperable cancer. Soured me on the concept.
||| Scary stuff! My only question about this inoperable cancer, it
||| takes years for cancer to appear and develop. Are you sure that he
||| not have cancer before?
|| Cutting out most fruits and many vegetables (which he did) because
|| they contained cabohydrates -- foods that are loaded with beneficial
|| phytochemicals -- foods that are associated with lower rates of
|| cancer -- and eating loads of supermarket beef certainly didn't help.
But it likely didn't result in inoperable cancer, either.
firstname.lastname@example.org (Pat Kiewicz) wrote in message
I don't know about that. We eat meat about twice a week, and we
probably spend $20-25 for the whole family. And we don't do things
really cheap: we have, besides the standard meats, lamb, buffalo,
ostrich, all sorts of things. Organic meat is about 60-80% more. We
definitely spend $40 or more for fruits, except in the fall when one
can buy locally.
Bill you're clueless. You know nothing about Low-carb diets. You just
said theat every doctor in the united states advises every diabetic to
use a scam of a diet. Diabetics are low-carbers. Low carbing is the
control of insulin.
DiGiTAL ViNYL (no email)
Zone 6b/7, Westchester Co, NY, <1 mile off L.I.Sound
2nd year gardener
Yeah, how did they get to be diabetic in the first place?
I'm talking about "healthy" people, once the horse is out of the barn, it's
I realized that some diabetes is caused by malfunctioning of the pancreas,
whereas type II diabetes is caused by eating unhealthy and being fat at an
|| Bill you're clueless. You know nothing about Low-carb diets. You just
|| said theat every doctor in the united states advises every diabetic
|| to use a scam of a diet. Diabetics are low-carbers. Low carbing is
|| the control of insulin.
| Yeah, how did they get to be diabetic in the first place?
| I'm talking about "healthy" people, once the horse is out of the
| barn, it's too late!
| I realized that some diabetes is caused by malfunctioning of the
| pancreas, whereas type II diabetes is caused by eating unhealthy and
| being fat at an early age.
You're embarrassing yourself with your complete lack of knowledge of the
subject. You're trying to tell low-carb dieters about low carb whent hey
are expeienced and you are not, and you're trying to tell diabetics about a
disease that they live with and have first-hand knowledge managing. That
makes you not very intelligent.
Geez, on the troll scale of 1 to 10, you're only about a "2!" (You fall into
the "mildly annoying but harmlessly ignorant" category.
Try googling "Frugal." Now there's 10; Frugie knew how to troll ASDLC!
Healthy people-- you mean people who pay little attention to what they
eat yet maintain a healthy weight without an ounce of trying?
Perhaps Bill thenn you can explain to doctors around the world why
"Adult Onset" Diabetes (type II) is showing up in children prior to
puberty in record numbers. ?Because at the age of 10 they have had a
lifetime of eating unhealthy and being fat? Overweight children have
always existed--I was a fat kid at 5 years old. But I still haven't
officially developed diabetes at 38.
Yes, you are the official answer man.
DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)
Atkins since Jan 12, 2004
Maint. not counting (CCLLP-60)
Check out this site for some ideas: http://www.ediblelandscaping.com /
I was thinking olive, but that might not work in zone 5.
|| I am on a low carb high fat "paleo diet". In the front yard, we have
|| a concrete retaining wall that is a boundary of our land. Beyond the
|| retaining wall, 3 feet lower, is a public sidewalk. I rented a
|| monster tiller recently, and tilled a 24" strip of land immediately
|| adjacent to the retaining wall. (did a lot of other tilling to plant
|| a lawn elsewhere).
|| My desire is to plant some pretty, high fat, low carb, edible plants
|| that are not grains.
|| I live in Zone 5 (N Illinois).
|| One plant that I can think of is sunflowers. Maybe I will throw some
|| corn into it, for looks and for other members of my family, but I am
|| looking for other suggestions.
I saw your earlier post talking about growing chilies - you might have to
treat your chilies plants the way you treat your olive tree if you're
planning to grow them. Otherwise you'll have to seed a new batch every
Do you have a glass house? They perform particularly well in a glass house
from what I heard.
Roger Zoul wrote:
Chilies? What is that? Are you talking about chili peppers or
something else? Are you perhaps confusing me with someone, or calling
some of the plants that I mentioned, by different name? I am confused.
||| Ig -
||| Check out this site for some ideas:
||| http://www.ediblelandscaping.com /
||| I was thinking olive, but that might not work in zone 5.
|| so you are calling Pat a simpleton, and then you suggest olives for
|| Zone 5? with this kind of advice, the guy will go on a starvation
|| for sure.
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