This is from LA Times today.
about a local man who does "no dig" gardening
atop mounds of hay, alfalfa, and compost, that
produces bumper crops of food.
Seems anything that was once alive wants to do it again.
Small plants grow
and death so often it seems it does not happen
The Enchanted Gypsy 3:22 Donovan A Gift From A Flower To A Garden
Metamorphosis 5:54 Jean-Luc Ponty The Best of Jean-Luc Ponty
Bill who has his dad over in 30 mins and dinner is now my Provence.
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA
Book "Our Media Not Theirs" Many Stars
Ahhh....caused me to queue up some Jean-Luc as I am cleaning the
garage/office and need some motivation to finish....now where is the
Jean-Luc Ponty "No Absolute Time" 1993......current selection
Just what I needed.........
Does your Dad like Jean-Luc? I ask this for a reason. Dad had issues
with my musical tastes his whole life and didn't much care for music in
general, except for Barbershop, which I do enjoy also. On one of my
last times taking him for chemo shortly before he died, I was playing
David Helpling's "Sleeping on the Edge of the World" and about halfway
home he roused a bit said he liked "my" music that was playing. This
was a big deal. Maybe it helped him transition. It helped me.
Wish it were that easy here. We need the extra bit of growing season we
gain by starting earlier...
Early spring was so cloudy for so long that everything we started never
reached any size, except the Ayur Vedic and Chinese herbs we're trying
which grow as weeds in their native environs and they were planted late.
The rest stayed in a light starved holding pattern until they were put
out. --Most are about three weeks behind and we had to keep them in
until June 2nd due to the danger of frost.
What herbs are you growing? I'm just getting my medicinals up and growing
but they are all western. I have been trying to grow "gynostemma
pentaphyllum" but with little luck. Last year I got germination
of one plant but it never showed any vigor (mirrored by the rest of my
garden until Sept.) and this year I have been unable to germinate at all
after two efforts.
Or, if you want to read about the person whose method was the source of
inspiration to the LA Times gardener, read about Esther Deans here:
Or if you want to read about a variety of similar methods try here:
Also note that when the LA Times writes, "Marfisi starts with alfalfa hay
(Deans recommends Lucerne hay, but it's hard to find locally)", they
obviously can't use google. Alfalfa and Lucerne are exactly the same thing.
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:00:24 -0700, Persephone wrote:
Ruth Stout is the pioneer of the no dig method. I have both of her
books. They are even first printing, first edition. I found them in
an antique store and paid 4 for both.
Later, aft err she was dead, people started experimenting with hay
bale gardening. That's where you take a bale, core out two or three
holed on top of the bale, fill it with compost, let it cook for a
month or so or it will be too hot for the plants, and grow your food
directly in the bales. Alfalfa hay is the more desirable since `the
potential for coastal Bermuda hay to contain seeds is very likely. Up
north, salt marsh hay can be used. I've tried this on tomatoes,
watermelon, cantaloupe and others, with great success.
My mother's second husband knew both Rex and Ruth from way back and on a visit
they went to visit Ruth. That is when my mothers gardening methods changed
completely. And, mine as well. I wont "turn" the soil anymore. It destroys
than it helps, creates more problems. Ingrid
Rex Stout is Ruth's brother. He's the author of the Nero Wolfe books among
others. I remember Ruth, she was 90+ then, appearing on the OLD Victory
Garden show, when the mission was education and information instead of eye
candy and it was called Crockett's Victory Garden.
They were filming in Ruth's garden showing her groping through hay handing
potatoes to Crockett when he asked her if she always gardened this way.
Ruth's answer; "no, I usually garden in the buff." Hahahaha. I'll never
forget that program!
Yeah, believe me this is NOT a revolutionary, new gardening method break
through. I still have her three books. I bought them new, probably in the
early to mid 60's. Not a one is marked over $2 I was a fan of hers even long
before her appearance on Victory Garden.
How To Have A Green Thumb Without An Aching Back
A New Method Of Mulch Gardening, The Ruth Stout No-Work Garden Book
Gardening Without Work: For the Aging, the Busy, and the Indolent.
She was quite a gal. Herbert Hoover even had files on her and her brother,
considering them radicals...that's gold stars in my book even if they didn't
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 08:43:41 -0500, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Ingrid, that motivated me to hunt down a message I posted earlier this
year, and the answers from a couple of the guys:
============On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:05:53 -0700, Persephone wrote:
that is to make sure the weed seeds get exposed so they sprout and
take over the garden.
it is old fashioned. the new fashion is "no till".
Somebody else said "LMAO"
Just to report that both of them were right on. My veg garden
which I dutifully turned, sprouted so many weeds that I was
tempted to let them take over & buy my vegs. But with the
price of food now, I sighed, picked up the hoe, attacked, and am
replanting VERY late in the season! Have to swallow my pride
and buy at least some plants.
Live & learn!
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