What is the deal with these things? I have a terrible time getting them to
germinate. Is it me? I have tried soaking them, I have tried scoring them.
I have tried just planting them. I can't tell you the number ratio of what
comes up but enough don't that I am asking the question.
I wish I had an answer for you. The sales pitch for these coated seeds
is that either the coating protects, and promotes the plants, which you
say it didn't, or it is supposed to make the seed more amenable to
automatic planting systems.
I get at least 2/3 germination from new seeds, often more. Empirically,
it seems that you do worse. I would ask the company what's going on, if
I had any interest in continuing this effort.
Sorry, I can't be more helpful.
"Gardening is the purest of human pleasures."
- Francis Bacon
on a table? on the floor? near a window? near
a door? near a heat vent?
it may not be warm enough, if you are going to keep
trying to germinate peppers and tomatoes a pad is
well worth the expense. if you were closer i'd give
you mine to try out to see what happens...
On Sunday, November 10, 2013 2:41:42 PM UTC-5, songbird wrote:
On a table near a large window. The house is always over 70 and I have no problem germinating other seeds. The Aero Garden is always full of something, Basil right now. I did actually notice a tomato that had come up yesterday so I guess there is hope
I'm guessing that these seeds are meant for direct planting. The
coatings are meant to assure germination and/or spacing. IIRC, much of
this pelletizing is done for grain crops, and alfalfa (lucern) which are
then mechanically sown. With that in mind, pelletizing peppers, and
tomato seeds would seem to imply a more ambitious planting than most
gardeners would consider.
Direct planting in the U.S. at this time of year may still be an option
in Florida, but direct planting anywhere else would be severely limited
by soil temperature. Tomatoes, and peppers need a soil temp of about 70
F to germinate, and at least 60 F to grow. Perhaps, "mjciccarel" is
antipodal, and already in mid-spring.
Still, seed coating can also serve as a carrier of fungicides,
bactericides, and insecticides that protect the seed and emerging
seedling. If it truly worked, it would allow me , perhaps, to skip the
sterilizing of my germination soil (181 F/ 20 min.), which I do to avoid
"Ciccarel", does that come with an Italian pronunciation?
On Sunday, November 10, 2013 2:03:48 PM UTC-5, Billy wrote:
Yep Italian by marriage. I am in South Eastern North Carolina. My green hou
se is small enough that I can keep those temperatures through out the winte
r. Well, as long as it doesn't get crazy cold. USUALLY I have established p
lants by now and they are much easier to maintain. I have just had a hard t
ime getting anything started this fall. I do have 2 large pepper plants tha
t are still producing and one tomato that is on its' way out. I took a cutt
ing from that at stuck it into a hydroponic pot hoping for the best but not
counting on it. That plant still has 8 green tomatoes. I have 6 more hydro
ponic pots that I hate to have empty. I have some broccoli in one and some
onion sets in another. I have lettuce and spinich in pots with dirt and the
y are starting to take off. It has been really warm here until the last wee
k or so.
coated seeds in quantity are for greenhouse growers
who have machines to plant entire trays at a shot (using
air pressure). rather nifty idea actually. some of
them are even pre-treated to start germination so that
the grower has fewer days of waiting for sprouts. these
must be kept carefully refrigerated.
in field applications (alfalfas, clovers, etc) the
coating is also likely innoculated with beneficial
nitrogen fixing bacterial species.
for damping off problems i've always done ok using
grit on the surface instead of cooking the soil.
pet store (birds need grit) or feed store
(chickens, etc. need grit).
however, in thinking a bit, it seems rather silly
to just not buy a sterile seed starting mix. you
don't need that much to get going and it isn't
that terribly expensive.
or... you could mix worm castings and compost in
the mix and see if that helps. it's not that hard
or... or... i've heard mention of sharp sand
or mason sand being used in a similar manner as grit,
but i have not tried it myself so cannot say much
from direct experience.
you're welcome. i used to live with someone who had
a bunch of birds. messy, noisy, expensive hobby, plants
and worms are certainly more my speed. :) birds belong
outside or in a very large and fairly wild aviary, not
in a tiny cage. grr... anyways. time to fly.
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