Yes. It is a totally hopeless law, an electrician can install
electrics in public\\commercial\\industrial properties, which
can involve showers, baths, chemicals, gases, high pressure
boilers, even outdoor electrical supplies in public areas such
as a busy town centre.
But yet cannot install anything in a domestic property.
Not all electricians work on domestic properties, the vast
majority working on public\\commercial\\industrial properties
are more than qualified and experienced to do such work, and more
likely to be better at doing the job than the vast majority
of house bashers who some-how gain the Part P approval.
The whole thing was setup to keep the electrical contractors
happy as they were desperate to get their hands on the domestic
market for electrical installations.
The commercial\\industral companies would have put the government
pressure to forget such a hopeless law, on various grounds, financial
The worse thing about this law has already atarted to show it
colours as people start to see how much they have to pay for a
electrician with Part P, they will ask a electrician who can do
the work and he will pass them off as he doesn't want to end up
So they will decide to do it themselfs with out any sort of guidance.
This means the installation will not be installed by anybody
who is competent, and instead we will end up with the worst of
To answer your question one person who is known as two jags or
two jabs and the department of the deputy prime minister was
behind this hopeless law.
Surely you don't believe the DPM personally make this decsison?
Where is the political mileage in that?
It was more likely some jobs worth civil servant who gets
jollys/kickbacks from the elec industry. maybe even "retired" and
working for them now..
It does happen, I've seen it with my own eyes. Senior civil servant to
preferred vendor ..
"would you care to persue this quote from your competitors while I'm out
of the room"
One that I recall vaguely, in 2003. (I can't find
any record on the net anymore, but a news item was
available at the time at http://tinyurl.com/r7k0
which is another reason for not using short URLs.)
The shower was professionally installed not that
long before the incident. The victim had commented
on getting electric shocks from it before, but
didn't seem to have done anything about it.
Incredibly, the contractor who installed the shower
was called in to investigate what was wrong with it,
so the investigation report would be worthless.
My comment at the time was that this would be like
asking Jarvis to investigate the Potters Bar rail
Totally disagree with that. Knowing all the answers is not what it's about.
Recognising the ISSUES, and then seeking the answers where appropriate, is.
Would you apply your thinking to, for instance, airline pilots and withdraw
their written procedures manual which they use on every flight - on the
grounds that they should know it all? Or would you stop doctors checking up
on alternative medicines on the same grounds? I don't think so.
I couldn't agree more with that. The fact that someone has to seek advice
prior to commencing a job does not mean that he is not competent to do it -
merely that he requires further information in order to do it properly. I've
said it before and I'll say it again - in the vast majority of cases, a keen
diy'er will produce a far superior job to most 'professionals'. I could
fill a book with the slipshod work that has been carried out for me and
friends/relatives over the years by so-called professional, garage
mechanics, tow-bar fitters, kitchen installers, tilers, laminate flooring
installers, etc. There *are* some perfectionist professionals out there -
but sadly they are few and far between!
It requires fitting and wiring by a competent person. Sorry to say it
the fact that you have to ask demonstrates that you are not qualified
This is self evident - but having asked the question and gathered the
necessary information then one is then better qualified than before -
which is also self evident.
I just installed a new Gainsborough 9.5kw shower in my new bathroom -
following the useful instructions on the packet and having studied
postings on this group. Nobody dead yet but we are all lovely and
As a matter of interest does anyone know what the showerer would
experience if there was a major failure sufficient to trip the RCD?
Be careful. I had a Mira a few years back, which packed up and has been
replaced by a non electric one. The cable to it was carrying 24 volt DC.
| My neighbour has a Mira electric shower that was in there when they moved
| 10years ago in and it is cattled, with a major leak. He has decided that
| he needs to replace the shower unit he may aswell redo the whole cubicle,
| tiles etc. which he has asked me to do for him. I have no problem doing
| this but would like some advice. The cable looks like 6mm to me, what's
| biggest KW shower he can have on this cable, if it has any bearing the
| shower is on the first floor and the CU is in the cellar (he doesn't
| want to rip carpets and floorboards up to swap it! I cannot see anything
| the existing shower to indicate its KW. Also with the new Part P regs,
| I (legally) do this for him or do we need to get a 'proper' sparky in?
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