Is it possible to view the gas and electric regs online i.e. rules re.siting
of gas flues, earthing regs etc. Now that DIY is slowly being 'hijacked' by
the state, probably due to a few incompetents blowing themselves up.
Nevertheless any works I do should follow the rules to the letter. The work
itself is not rocket science. Why pay through the nose for a 'professional'?
It is more to do with the Treasury wanting to stop the "cash-in-hand"
part of the economy.. Otherwise the regs wouldn't have been drafted as
they are - to stop fully qualified engineers and technicians doing a
bit of evening and weekend work as well as, supposedly, stopping the
I don't know about the gas regulations. Get that wrong and you could
lose the house, next door and everyone in them. If there was an
explosion due to a faulty component, there might not be much evidence
left to show that it wasn't your fault and had been installed correctly.
For wiring regulations, just do a search on "wiring regulations" on
ebay. You will find all sorts from the full printed book of various
editions to "CDROM"s.
Rules are there to be interpreted as well as followed. You pay for a
professional because a professional has done all his/her screwups on
other people's installations as an apprentice - and been suitably
"corrected". If you get it wrong, how would you know? Other than, of
course, when the ambulance/police/fire engine arrives and shortly after
when the insurance company declines to pay up..
Your house is worth, how much? You, your wife kids? Is it really worth
hazarding that for a couple of hundred quidlets? Basically, if you need
to ask how to do the job, you need to leave it to someone who doesn't.
You've started with a reasonable reply, then drifted off into nonsense (no
offence, but I couldn't disagree more...)
The OP recognizes he needs to learn / understand something (wish there were
more like that). Knowing the regs doesn't mean you can do the job. It may
be as simple as knowing the date when new cable colours become mandatory.
That doesn't mean using the old colours is unsafe.
If you reckon "needing to ask" is a problem, where do you suppose the next
generation of "professionals" is going to come from? Do you propose firing
all today's apprentices and trainees because they weren't born with
knowledge of 2005 regs? Would you ban DIY books? Ban newsgroups like this?
You've got the wrong end of the stick, and IMHO done an injustice to the OP.
As Rumsfeld might say, the "known unknown" isn't a problem; it's the
"unknown unknown" you should worry about.
You snipped the bit of my reply that talked about apprentices having
their mistakes corrected. The problem with books is that they are open
loop - if you have misunderstood, the mistake goes uncorrected. The
"next generation" are going to come from apprentices and trainees who
will still make mistkase - no matter how well they thought they
understood the books.
Books and DIY books are fine where the consequences of mistakes are
acceptable - I learnt cooking that way and my first rice pudding ended
up as the garage door stop.
The "unknown unknown" is how the OP will interpret the book. Just as I
think that you misunderstood my post.
I get your point and it is well made. However, I learnt far more useful
stuff, during my apprenticeship, out of the classroom than I ever learnt
Like I said, if it isn't safety critical, then by all means read the
book and follow the instructions. It will probably work out fine. But if
getting it wrong could kill or injure someone, then do it under
supervision until you are sure you know what you are about.
There are plenty of books on driving cars - but I would hope that no one
would think reading a book and getting a bit of advice on a newsgroup
would be a reasonable replacement for supervised tuition..
Sorry about that. I did read it, and up to that stage I wasn't particularly
disagreeing with your sentiments.
Tee hee. But you recognised it wasn't quite what you had expected ... and I
bet you found out how to make an edible one without a personal supervisor /
Actually, his / her question was simply "are the regs available on-line". I
don't know for certain, but I feel sure the OP can do the work - just wants
to know what current (excuse pun) regs have to be followed.
Er - I hope I'm understanding that correctly.... you refer, I presume, to
on-the-job training... :-)
FWIW, I learned the hard way that re-wiring a house was 90% building work
(at which I'm pretty useless) and 10% electrical (which I can do - though I
know my limits).
I agree with that. But the OP didn't give me the impression that s/he
didn't understand the risks, or would be unsafe. Rather, that he wanted to
comply with all relevant regs, which he and you seem to accept are at least
as much to do with matters other than safety.
Ah - but there are things about driving which it's useful to read about (and
aren't covered by driving schools) and you certainly need to read the
Highway Code before your test. I've never seen a book claiming to teach
The latest regs are clear - the "layman" isn't banned from doing the work -
but it must be checked and certified. I assume the OP will follow them,
since he asked the question.
I understand the risks. Many years ago I both rewired my old house and
installed gas CH. These days you have to follow the rules and regs to the
letter which are designed to be 101% foolprof and safe i.e positioning of
flues away from windows etc. But get it 10mm wrong and it illegal. I find
there are a few good tradesmen but many complete idiots - like the builder
who did my extension - supposedly 40 years experience but tried to fob me
off with a 2.5" lintel to span an 8ft window! I had drawn the plans and
specified a catnic. When I told him it was 4x overstressed he tried to blame
the builders merchant for misinforming him! hence given the knowledge of
regs and calculations and background in engineering etc I think I am better
than most around
I think that's a bit unfair.
I can and have done wiring safely for many years, but that's not
necessarily the same as complying with the regulations. A read of the
regs may well end up in me doing some things slightly differently, but
perhaps no less safely.
Roland Butter :- There\'s nothing like a knob of butter.
You are, of course, perfectly correct. In fact reading the regs should
end with the job done as safely, if not more safely and certainly not
less safely. Reading them may reveal an aspect of the job that had not
even been considered.
They are also of use even if not "diy" - my neighbour has some work just
done that may have met the regs 10 years ago but certainly doesn't meet
the current ones. Waving the regs helped in getting the work re-done
properly at no extra charge. The contractor had been doing this type of
job for years and never thought that the rules may have changed.
Of course, that is where going to a professional who has their work
regularly inspected pays off. They have to keep up to date. Everyone
makes misteaks at times - even experts.
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