Small farm on two lane road, speed limit 50 mph. No shoulder, fence
along the road is about 4 feet from the road. Just an estimate, didn't
measure. Good deal of landscaping on/along the fence that obstructs
part of the view, includes a couple of tree trunks close up to the drive
that also obstruct the view. Indiana, so climate factors of snow and
ice figure into solution. Do those convex mirrors work well enough to
give drivers pulling out of the drive a good view down the road? Moving
the fence and removing landscaping is doable, but it would be nice to
have a simpler, safe solution.
Where I have seen those mirrors, they do work. Still, the actual situation
is what counts ... Generally, I'd say the mirrors are better for the
person coming out of the driveway than for the drivers on the main road.
It's a busy road, and the concern is for those pulling out of the drive.
I've thought of the "common sense" solutions, but wonder if there are
new gadgets, like infra red sensor or something that would be reliable
to make sure there are no vehicles approaching from left (other
direction, the view is clear).
If you can get the mirror solidly installed and have the personnel to
keep it clean, go for it. Holland is generally a country where gadgets
would be welcome, but in some places it's still full of mirrors.
Ime where they've been installed they have some utility but I'd be
reluctant to rely on one too heavily owing to depth perception, etc.,
and particularly, difficulty in judging speed of the reflection.
Can't really judge the situation w/o being there, but I'd surely be
inclined to fix the visibility issue as a general recommendation given
that in most places if the posted limit is 50 mph most are traveling at
least 60 and the ones you're concerned most about will be pushing 70.
All that would be required would be a clear view of the road and
vehicles...if there is a vehicle, no go! Assume they are doing the
minimun of 50 up to.....one auto yesterday probably was doing 90.
Residential country road...some agric.
So many idiots on the road and I'm still surviving :o) Never had a ticket.
If'en it's a case of the road is flat enough to see down it, it could
probably give an indication of "go/nogo" on that basis of "car/no car".
Beyond that, my judgment still is they're not reliable for judging that
I'd want to rely on it for trying to enter traffic.
Isn't normally the sane that are the cause, indeed. All it takes is
once't from the other and may not matter who's at fault... :(
Axiom: "Fail-safe systems often fail by failing to fail safe."
If you rely on the down-the-road sensor and it fails, you're dead. If you're
relying on the big mirror and IT fails (snow, dirt, etc.), at least you KNOW
While not advocating arson, he does have a point. Even if it is more
like 6 feet, that still doesn't meet setback rules any place I have
spent time. Where is your mailbox? USPS usually insists on something
resembling a pull-off lane so their drivers do not get creamed, and
Indiana also likes to have room to push off snow. And of course, if
there are overhead power lines on that side of road, those folks have
been known to get unexpectedly medieval on anything in their ROW, taking
it down to ground level. The rules about not asking questions you might
not like the answers to apply. If you are not prepared financially or
time-wise to take fence down or live without it if they do it, you may
wanna let sleeping dogs lie, for now.
By any chance, was road widened since fence went in? For a mirror to do
any good, it almost needs to be on the other side of the road, opposite
center line of driveway. Will anybody holler at you if you plant a post
over there? Along with mirror, I'd also put up reflectors, the better to
catch headlights at dawn and dusk when distances are deceptive. If
county does not care about the narrow clearance, maybe they will at
least have their sign shop plant some 'hidden driveway X yards ahead'
signs for you.
Proper cure, as you already know, is to move fence and vegetation, and
install proper approach apron. Doesn't have to be paved- hard-pack
gravel will do.
Easy to tell those who've been citified... :)
USPS drives down the drive to the house, of course; they can't use the
mailbox, they're not USPS. And, may well stop for cup o' coffee if
there's somebody around....we move slower in the country (even UPS
Dadblame it, the first USPS was intended to be UPS and I missed it on
Need to tell your BIL(former) to come to SW KS, then...here, at least
aren't so uptight but what the UPS driver can take a minute or two now
and then...not every stop, obviously but generally if the guy has a
dropoff here and I'm around the shop/house instead of in field or
otherwise really occupied, we can find a coffee... :)
USPS just stops at the box and you're responsible for going around
him... :) -- altho we've always had a PO Box in town since when
grandparents homesteaded the closest the communal boxes were was closer
to the PO in town than the house, they figured if had to go that far
might as well just have the box and get the advantage of put up first,
no rain/snow to get stuff wet, added security, etc., ... Now, they do
have boxes at each drive, but still maintain the box in town rather than
What does the UPS/Fedex driver enter in those little hand held computers
they carry if he/she is stopping in for a cup of coffee?
Every bit of their time is monitored by corporate.
I knew a UPS driver who said rather jokingly, I can't even take a shit
without entering it on the computer.
Not sure what coding is; they just let it sit in the truck for a
while...perhaps it is coded as a potty-break; out here it's far enough
between stops and they're no trees... :)
I'll try to think to ask next time...altho I don't have anything
scheduled and not sure when will...
Arson not an option...daughter's farm, steel posts with wire fencing
along with board fence. Keeps in horses and dogs. Gate is wide and set
back from fence row by a car length....it might work to move part of the
fence so it slants back to the gate, rather that right angles. I've
tried to imagine legal road signage that would pass. Don't recall
seeing "hidden driveway". Property is 300' +, five acres. Corn field
and utility poles on other side of road, no shoulder on that side
either. School bus stops at next property up the road, so that might
get some attention - just moved in, so it's all new.
Mitigate the fence and trees that obstruct the views from your
driveway to improve safety...
It will likely not be you that gets hurt in an accident, but a friend
or visitor to your property that will be caught unawares by the risk
and get hurt leaving...
So if trees are in the way, cut them down or find an tree company
that can dig them up and move them with a tree spade if you don't
want to kill the trees to make everything safer... If your fence
block the sight lines at your driveway figure out how you can move
the fences you have back further onto your property so that they
do not impede sight lines at the end of the driveway and create
an unsafe intersection at the roadway...
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